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Why people get so angry when I mention TMS?

feduccini said:
It's been mostly positive. My friends got it with a very open mind. My mother supports it. My PT and I talk about it a lot.

The people I feel won't get it I just shut up and if asked tell I've been progressing a lot.
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My friends from Brazil reacted positively too, but they don't seem to change, meaning they didn't do the researches I told them to do haha
 
Jheronimus_van_aken said:
I don’t think TMS will ever become a mainstream medical concept. Technically, FNDs and conversion disorders used to be in the realm of mainstream medicine, but by the mid 20th century, with the rise of the pharmaceutical industry and the pharmaceutical revolution, most of these diagnoses disappeared from mainstream medical discourse. The medical industry nowadays has a strong tendency to not promote treatments that actually work and deal with the root of the issue, they prescribe Big Pharma drugs that act as a bandaid for issues or do not work at all, and say you’ll ‘need’ them for the rest of your life. There is nothing the pharmaceutical industry loves more than lifetime drug prescriptions, and then they can market medications to be prescribed to deal with side effects of the original medication. It’s crazy.

If the medical industry actually cured people of disease, they wouldn’t be an industry anymore. A patient cured is a customer lost, and that same sentiment also applies to the alternative medicine industry (which is closely related to mainstream medicine in a variety of ways, despite claiming not to be) as well. Profit rules over everything else.
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SO TRUE!!!
 
I do find it interesting that some people embrace the idea while others reject it hard. I'm guessing people who have either had surgeries already or spent a lot on doctors and meds are the worst, they don't want to hear that they wasted a lot of time and money and they feel insulted like you are telling them the pain isn't real it's all in your head. You can only help people who are open to being helped. I just posted about Dr. Daniel Amen releasing a new book next month about mind body pain, I have no idea if it will be a good book but if it is it could make these ideas more widely known and accepted which hopefully will lead to healing. Only time will tell.
 
I embraced.tms but it made me worse.

I'd be skeptical,

It's almost like people are so positive about it, but when it doesn't work there's literally no one to go to for help, better off with mainstream, they seem more grounded.
 
Lee222 said:
I embraced.tms but it made me worse.

I'd be skeptical,

It's almost like people are so positive about it, but when it doesn't work there's literally no one to go to for help, better off with mainstream, they seem more grounded.
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Has the modern medical model offered you any solutions to your CFS? Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious because I know you’ve been trying and struggling for a bit.
 
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Lee222 said:
I embraced.tms but it made me worse.

I'd be skeptical,

It's almost like people are so positive about it, but when it doesn't work there's literally no one to go to for help, better off with mainstream, they seem more grounded.
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In terms of the last part, often that's the case because TMS is the last resort (because of such skepticism). I was skeptic too but I was out of options so I put that aside. I'm sure I speak for most people here but I just want people to get better - I couldn't care less how it is done. If I think someone has a structural problem that is fixable through the medical model, I'll tell them and if it works I'll celebrate with them :)
 
Rabscuttle said:
Has the modern medical model offered you any solutions to your CFS? Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious because I know you’ve been trying and struggling for a bit.
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It hasnt but they've always been honest and realistic with me.

The TMS stuff has always given me a lot of hope and excitement but delivered very little and left me feeling confused and it's usually expensive
 
I just want to add that I recovered from CFS using the TMS methodology and it didn't cost me a penny. It was all available using free resources on the web... some of them right here on this website. Don't let one person's negative experience dissuade you from using a tool that has been miraculous for millions of people.

I had a very bad experience with steroid injections for my back pain. Yet, I don't go on discussion forums and trash this procedure. That procedure cost me hundreds of dollars and my insurance company thousands. It turned out that a $10 book permanently cured me.
 
BloodMoon said:
@hopefuldoe I thought rather than compose a list myself it would be easier to ask perplexity.ai and this is what it came up with (which I think sums much of it up):

"People may get angry or upset for several reasons:
  1. Skepticism and Misinformation: Some people, including medical professionals, are skeptical about TMS (especially the mind-body syndrome concept) or have misconceptions about its validity. They may dismiss it as "not real" or "all in your head," which can provoke frustration for both you and them.
  2. Stigma Around Mental Health and Chronic Pain: Talking about conditions like TMS can trigger defensive or dismissive reactions because many people are uncomfortable discussing mental health, invisible illnesses, or chronic pain. There's a tendency to downplay things we can't see or easily measure.
  3. Fear and Projection: Admitting that TMS exists (especially in the mind-body sense) can threaten some people's beliefs about health. If someone has their own pain or emotional struggles, your story may unconsciously challenge their worldview, making them uncomfortable or angry.
  4. Negative Experiences with Treatment or System Dismissal: People who've had bad experiences with TMS treatments or with being dismissed by doctors may feel anger at the healthcare system. When you bring up TMS, it can touch on unresolved frustration or reminders of their own struggles—for example, feeling "gaslighted" or not taken seriously by physicians or others.
  5. Misattribution of Anger and Repressed Emotions: The core ideas behind TMS theory involve the role of repressed anger or other negative emotions in generating symptoms. Sometimes just talking about TMS (especially Sarno's mind-body version) brings up discomfort or even anger in listeners, perhaps because it confronts their own difficulties with emotional expression or chronic pain.
  6. Assumptions About Treatment: Some people might associate TMS with unconventional or controversial therapies or believe it’s a sign you're not dealing with your health "the right way." This can cause them to react defensively or judgmentally.
In summary, people’s anger often has less to do with you and more to do with their own beliefs, discomfort, or prior experiences regarding chronic illness, pain, and emotional health. If you encounter these reactions, it can be helpful to set boundaries and seek support from communities that understand what you're going through."

I'm like @Sita, I don't discuss it any more, except for on the forums and with my husband.
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Thank you! This is such a great and helpful list. It can be really frustrating at times, and seeing a list like this breaks it down in a good way for me.

This is so true as well! :
Baseball65 said:
Most people get angry because they have a lot of $$ and skin in the game.
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Oh, wow, @BloodMoon I didn't catch that AI developed that list--missed reading that first part of your post.
Very interesting.

The list was kinda complex and straightforward as well (if that makes any sense :)) in the way it was written, but I figured you must've put some time and thought into developing it that way.
 
Bonnard said:
The list was kinda complex and straightforward as well (if that makes any sense :)) in the way it was written, but I figured you must've put some time and thought into developing it that way.
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I put some examples of the reasons I thought it happens into perplexity.ai and asked it to suggest any other possibilities, then to phrase it all as a forum post. It saves a lot of time — and I often find it comes up with interesting angles I hadn’t even considered before!
 
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