• Alan has completed the new Pain Recovery Program. To read or share it, use this updated link: https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/painrecovery/
  • Welcome to the new TMS Wiki server! Things aren't finished yet: email is not set up, so notification and password-reset emails don't go out, and new registrations are paused until email is installed. Details and updates are in this thread (click here). Locked out? Email tmswikisignups@gmail.com from the address where you receive TMS Wiki notifications.

Those constant symptoms...

It's still amazing to me when I will Google spondylosis (one of my many other diagnoses and as we all know, totally normal) and soooooo many websites say ABSOLUTELY YOU CANNOT RUN EVER OR LIFT ANYTHING HEAVY, just stretch some. Oof.
 
Rusty Red said:
It's still amazing to me when I will Google spondylosis (one of my many other diagnoses and as we all know, totally normal) and soooooo many websites say ABSOLUTELY YOU CANNOT RUN EVER OR LIFT ANYTHING HEAVY, just stretch some. Oof.
Click to expand...
Just get rid of it. Done. Give it no more emotional fuel, no more time in your thoughts. As Jim Prussack says, use all that wasted energy as rocket fuel to change your mindset.
This is the crap I erase from my brain. O googling, none of the traps. You have actually influenced me to begin weighs again. I’m simply using the old lady approach to keep good (but not perfect) form and keep out of pain. Low weigh, high reps, in 2 weeks I have progressed very nicely with both increase weight and reps.
 
Last edited:
Cactusflower said:
I’m simply using the old lady approach to keep good (but not perfect) fork and keep out of pain. Low weigh, high reps, in 2 weeks I have progressed very nicely with both increase weight and reps.
Click to expand...

Love it. Don't be afraid to try some higher weight and lower reps every so often. You're not going to hurt yourself (other than being a little sore for a few days). Sarno famously said "if you can't lift the weight, you just can't lift the weight - it's not going to injure you."
 
I have to admit, I still really struggle with believing herniated discs and spondylosis, things like that, don't cause pain. Sarno said nerve pain and numbness were TMS too, but then I see in other TMS groups them saying if there's nerve involvement, it's structural.
 
Rusty Red said:
I have to admit, I still really struggle with believing herniated discs and spondylosis, things like that, don't cause pain. Sarno said nerve pain and numbness were TMS too, but then I see in other TMS groups them saying if there's nerve involvement, it's structural.
Click to expand...
Sarno was really adamant about it. And he would have known. That was his expertise: backs. Have you ever read The MindBody Prescription by Sarno? He goes into it in elaborate detail and explains where the nerves go and how that doesn’t make any sense, etc etc. It takes up a couple chapters. Fear is always going to fuel TMS.
 
Diana-M said:
Sarno was really adamant about it. And he would have known. That was his expertise: backs. Have you ever read The MindBody Prescription by Sarno? He goes into it in elaborate detail and explains where the nerves go and how that doesn’t make any sense, etc etc. It takes up a couple chapters. Fear is always going to fuel TMS.
Click to expand...
Yes, I've read all his books except Mind Over Back Pain because that was before he really found his way with TMS.
 
Rusty Red said:
I have to admit, I still really struggle with believing herniated discs and spondylosis, things like that, don't cause pain. Sarno said nerve pain and numbness were TMS too, but then I see in other TMS groups them saying if there's nerve involvement, it's structural.
Click to expand...

Your struggle is obvious. You consistently refer back to any symptom label you’ve been given or your fear you have a new “diagnoses”.
So where do you believe your issues are TMS related? Where in the psychological?
I believe you can do this.
Do I think those physical issues cause pain? Yes. spondylosis (and its close cousins) can cause occasional pain. I have been labeled with a more severe form of this and sometimes I can feel it but it in itself was not the cause of my suffering - my fixation, focus, anxiety, striving etc. was. Yes I had a temporary disc issue which was painful and they heal. It was massively compounded by my fear and worry, fixation and focus .
My awesome TMS coach got to a point she was frustrated with my mindset - I could not progress. So she had a session forcing me to make a choice and face the fear of making that choice. It came with a lot of baggage. I was afraid to make a commitment to my own wellness and be in my own corner because my mind had labeled me as not good enough, a failure, everything I did was a struggle, I could never win…My coach layed it all out there. It was hard to hear and undeniable.
That day I made the choice for me to choose that my path and my prioritizing my mental health was #1 however it didn’t mean everything else was #2 etc. It meant my husband and family were #1a, #1b etc.
She made me choose a path and name it. She made me say I have TMS and I will be fine. She made me write it down and save it in a notebook.
I started by only doing the SEP work but then slowly added things I recognized that could support me: meditation, OCD mindset work, Claire Weekes (which was most helpful next to Sarno in all of this).
I stopped talking to anyone even this forum about symptoms, I don’t talk about them with my PT and from that moment on not my coach nobody. I promised myself to follow at least 3 of Sarno’s 12 tenants at all times, no matter what.
I had flairs, plateaus, setbacks, doubts, and fears but kept my promise to myself.
Pain comes and goes but the chronic suffering is always in the psychological.
 
Cactusflower said:
I stopped talking to anyone even this forum about symptoms, I don’t talk about them with my PT and from that moment on not my coach nobody
Click to expand...
This is the challenge and the goal you need to take on, @Rusty Red. Stop with the symptom descriptions. Stop mentioning your so-called diagnoses. Personally I have found them to be tedious as well as obviously irrelevant for a long time. But I still care and I still believe there's hope for you to figure out what's holding you back. All I can tell you is that it isn't in your body.
 
JanAtheCPA said:
there's hope for you to figure out what's holding you back. All I can tell you is that it isn't in your body.
Click to expand...
This speaks to me, too. As does this:
Cactusflower said:
my mind had labeled me as not good enough, a failure, everything I did was a struggle, I could never win
Click to expand...
TMS really makes you peel back everything, including, do you love yourself enough to BELIEVE you can do this. I think about this a lot.
 
Said screw it today and ran and lifted. Then I see a story in my FB feed about someone with a torn hamstring and all these comments with people who also had them. Lol sheesh. I really don't think mine is torn but lord.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top