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Those constant symptoms...

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by Rusty Red, Oct 23, 2025.

  1. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    It's my main FB feed where it came up unfortunately!
     
  2. Diana-M

    Diana-M Beloved Grand Eagle

    Oh… :shy:o_O:arghh:…. Well then… fingersinears
     
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  3. feduccini

    feduccini Beloved Grand Eagle

    Rusty, your issue with wanting to work out/run and having to pay for this reminds me of what Howard Schubiner tells about violinists. He says there's a research with this group that shows their sensitivity on the left hand is way higher than the right one, and that's because they're usually terrified of hurting it and losing its movement.

    I think the stakes for you are too high right now. You're sort of putting all the eggs on this basket. I'm not telling you to stop doing what you love, but isn't there anything else you can add as a plan B when your limbic system is on fire? Things like music, photography, healthy cooking etc.
     
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  4. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    I'm not ready to abandon it just yet. I am working on making sure on the days when it is really bad to be okay with resting.
     
  5. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Beloved Grand Eagle

    This brings up a good point. I believe part of recovery in a situation like this is becoming indifferent to the pain - ambivalent about it - whatever you might call it but certainly the opposite of watching it like a hawk and waiting for it to "ping" with pain. This is adjacent and similar to the thinking of outcome independence.
     
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  6. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    I took my socket seat off my work chair today. For a while my upper leg was in agony, got really tempted to put it back. But right now it has settled down.

    Just adding evidence type stuff here.
     
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  7. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Beloved Grand Eagle

    Good move. I admit I didn't know what a socket seat was so I looked it up. That's a big no no in Sarno thinking. I had a cushion I used back when I was at my low point and it's a total crutch and distraction.

    Incidentally mine was the type that's supposed to simulate sitting on a "balance ball" or "bosu ball" - the good news I repurposed it as a tool for when I do strength and balance work. I never use it to sit on though.
     
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  8. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    Well some good news. The "wrong" scan I paid a fortune for didn't show any cancer of the organs. Only "finding" was some small lymph nodes in my neck but they said consistent with normal wear and tear and inflammation of the body.

    I am still likely going to get tested for autoimmune but that's good at least.
     
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  9. Pat97

    Pat97 New Member



    Just seen this thread and thought I'd share this video. It sounds like you have weakness which stretching won't fix. You must strengthen these areas.

    Trust me I get the frustration with pain and discomfort. I still struggle with lower back pain from time to time and basically daily dizziness/alsorts of head tingling etc. All you can do is lock in and say each day im going to do something that's better than yesterday. Maybe that's not over thinking and reacting to your discomfort, maybe its stopping yourself from training maybe its doing meditation even though you don't want to. I hope you start feeling better but just know im in this with you just like the rest of us. God its hard but I believe we can all heal, it just takes time.

    Best of luck
     
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  10. Pat97

    Pat97 New Member

    This is exactly what happens to me with my dizziness and head sensations. They come on during the day. Almost as if my mind reactivates after sleep and remembers ohh its time to turn these symptoms back on. Difficult but it helps when you can become aware of this. Really good comment.
     
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  11. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    "It sounds like you have weakness which stretching won't fix. You must strengthen these areas."
    ^ has 0 to do with TMS - it's falling back into the physical and medical model that there is "fixing" that needs to be done, and that there is something "wrong" with the body.
    With TMS there is NOTHING at all wrong with the body, and Dr. Sarno teaches us this. If you have not read (or fully digested) any book by Dr. Sarno, it is recommended to do so, so that you fully understand what is going on with TMS.

    This entire thread is about focusing on the physical and finding a "fix" that falls into the medical model.
     
  12. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Yeah, I strongly advise that @Rusty Red ignore the recommendation to watch any video about so-called "strengthening".

    Sorry, @Pat97, but it is 180 degrees antithetical to Dr. Sarno's findings, and also to what we practice here. It's also not RR's first rodeo on that subject.

    How far did you get with the advice you received the last time you were posting?
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2025
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  13. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    No plans to work on extra strengthening beyond my normal lifting. I'm good with treating it as TMS for now that I know there's no cancer causing the overall pain. If something ends up happening, I'll deal with it when/if it occurs.
     
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  14. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    Ruling out the last of the physical, my doc tested for autoimmune and most have come back negative, some of them take longer. I got the good old-fashioned piriformis syndrome diagnosis for my leg.
     
  15. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hang in there Rusty - you're getting signs left and right that this is TMS, but it's up to you to buy in and believe it.
     
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  16. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    My symptoms have shut down activity for now so we'll see what happens. I got too tired of writing the same things over and over so maybe need a different modality.
     
  17. Sarah79

    Sarah79 Peer Supporter

    This comment, about how the TMS brain loves scanning the body every day to check, rings so true for me. This morning, I was pleased not to have any hand / arm pain for 90 minutes, and I know this precise fact because when it started to feel weak and grumpy, I checked the clock…
     
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  18. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    I really am thinking I need to leave the TMS group on FB. Tonight one of the regulars posted you have to change your life and personality to get better. To me that goes against everything we learn about TMS - that you don't necessarily have to change them but just recognize them and the associated emotions, and reframe your approach to them. An I way off base? Thinking that I'm stuck because I can't leave my stressful job is really defeating.
     
  19. Rabscuttle

    Rabscuttle Well known member

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    I think this is a case by case thing honestly. Depends on life situations, personality type. Probably even in the most stressful situations it’s possible to fully recover. But it’s definitely more difficult if you don’t address the underlying stressors. Not impossible just harder. I think while Sarno was very much on the money, TMS at its core is an issue with the fight or flight response that is poorly adapted to the modern world. I do unfortunately think that there is probably a greater risk of reoccurrences of symptoms popping up if bigger changes aren’t made, not that they can’t be overcome, but you do have to be cognizant of that fact so you aren’t thrown for a loop anytime in the future something pops up and you get thrusted back into a panic.

    not an expert by any means so just my 2 cents.
     
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  20. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Well known member

    @Rabscuttle that makes sense. I just know my job is where I have to stay at least for now, it has the flexibility I need for my son's virtual schooling from home and I'm highly unlikely to find anything with the same balance of WFH to office work I need, the specific schedule. It makes it harder to do the work if I believe I'm stuck with my symptoms if I have to stay at my job.
     

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