Can somebody please explain to me how so many people have recovered from their health issues using Dr Joe's work if he is such a quack. Are all those testimonial videos on YouTube done by paid actors. Could it be that these people haven't healed but just their perception of their illness has changed? Doed it really matter what his background is if people actually see real tangible change? IMO he has uncovered the mind body connection for people to see results, and that's all that matters.
Hi nyc,
For your first question and I will leave out addressing "...if he's such a quack".
So many? How many? Is it more then 50% of all treated, or, more like 33% which would be within the realm of a placebo effect. We do not know how many have recovered NOT using Dr. Joes methods.
As you can see without the necessary data points it is difficult to come close to an appropriate answer.
Some possible explanations might be;
People got better spontaneously.
Their belief was of a degree in which produced a placebo effect.
They are deluding themselves and just in denial of their problems.
It could be as you stated that they have not healed, only changed their perceptions of reality.
"Doed it really matter what his background is if people actually see real tangible change? IMO he has uncovered the mind body connection for people to see results, and that's all that matters."
Yes, it does matter. That is, if one does not subscribe to an "ends justify the means" philosophy.
Why if there are similar programs to his by licensed or peer recognized expertise in the subject at little or no cost should someone be kept from knowing of and making use of their existence?
One also needs to understand, not only was he a member of the RSE group, but he held the title of "teacher" at RSE. He participated in the many questionable behaviors of the group. He attributes his knowledge base as being from the group.
He is only now not connected to the organization because there is no room for 2 cult leaders.
His credentials are of a chiropractor, not a neuroscientist.
I know Neuroscientists and I know Joe Dispenza, and he is no neuroscientist.
I have questioned his claims, was told that there was medical documentation to back it up and that he would produce it and after 6 months of follow up it turned out to be a bald face lie.
However, none of the other people at the seminar I went to heard my question to him because I had approached him privately as opposed to outing him in front of everyone. They did hear testimonials from others who had produce "outrageous" events in their lives from making gold coins appear in ones hands to recovering eyesight.
He had claimed that someone had grown new permanent teeth, someone had complete remission from cancer, and someone else had healed a broken arm in 6 hours.
As it turned out, just because he said so does not make it so.
However, he can be an influential speaker, especially to those who are at the end of the road as far as dealing with their problems, as you said he gives hope where others may not.
Lets be clear about this though. He does not GIVE hope. He SELLS hope. For myself hope is not a commodity to be bargained with.
"I just find it extremely hard to believe that all of these people who are recovering from real tangible illnesses whether it be mental or physical using Dr. Joe's work to be delusional. I think these people who have the most profound results have learned how to harness the placebo effect to their benefit. I am currently dealing with a very serious illness myself and am looking forward to leaning how to apply his work to my own situation."
I don't find it unusual that you find it hard to believe, similar to believing all Mexicans are illegals or that all Muslims are terrorists etc. I also can see that you obviously think that it is a possibility to "harness" the placebo effect. That has been proven to be quite elusive because ones knowledge of the placebo works against the placebo effect though there has been some gaining ground.
NYC, there is much written about the placebo effect going way back to before it was called a placebo effect, but I would assure you , you will gain a much greater understanding reading a variety of writers from varying disciplines who are far more knowledgable then Joe Dispenza.
"It certainly makes him less credible, but his most important arguments are based on the fact that our brains and bodies can change with the power of belief. Do you disagree with that?"
If he is making that argument he has created one where none is needed. It is well established that that occurs. However, his contention that this ability can be harnessed, controlled at will by one is an expectation that is while conceivable, unattainable for virtually everyone.
Even if it were so, that one could give everything up, family, friends, everyday pleasures (yes, that includes sex), and study diligently and attain this ability; without friends , family etc its value diminishes greatly.
"The truth is I have a very serious physical illness right now and I don't know how much longer I have left. What do you suppose a person like me would immmediately do? Seeking out Gods help is the intuitive thing to do, and yet I feel completely betrayed. It's comforting to know that the more I pray and hope, the better it'll get. But what would happen if you not only get worse, but are blamed for your illness, lose your family, friends, and everything you love. Then you start to realize that Religion is comforting, but has no basis in reality. If there was no pain, death, and suffering in the world, there would be no need for religion. It was created to accommodate our fears."
I am an Agnostic, I would not presume to explain the existence of a supernatural being, that does not mean there is none. I have an intuitive understanding of the fabric of the universe and that each thread is an important part of the whole.
It sounds like you may have a terminal illness, I am sorry that you have to learn how to cope with it but you may gain some insight here from those suffering with continuous problems and the variety of ways in which each person handles it.
I would like to suggest that you might instead of trying to find a "cure", work on what is going on for you and how you might be able to effect it, double down on your efforts, fight it tooth and nail when you can and accept and recoup when you can't. I can see that your interest in Dispenza is a part of your doubling down, I would just say from experience that it is not a good bet and I would not even put it in the longshot category.
Rather then learning to "cure" yourself, if you can learn how to be flexible in your thinking, not look to have all of your questions answered, but keep asking them it will be very helpful for you in dealing with any life changing situation.
It seems obvious you have been dissilusioned with religion, but your last statement does not reflect the facts.
"Then you start to realize that Religion is comforting, but has no basis in reality. If there was no pain, death, and suffering in the world, there would be no need for religion. It was created to accommodate our fears."
Yes, perhaps religion was created to accommodate our fears, but also our hopes and dreams of the future, a series of guideposts to navigate the human condition. That aspect cannot be left out.
Of course religion has a firm basis in reality. If there were no pain, death, suffering in the world, there would be no reality.
In closing, I understand that you are sincerely looking to better your situation, that's great!
Look at it this way, if you came upon a beautiful mountain lake, on a hot summer afternoon and was about to jump in then saw a sign that said "Swim at your own risk, toxic clean up site" and yet you saw people swimming in it and they came out and said they have swam there for a while and they see nothing wrong with it. Then, you speak to some of the other people in the area and you hear about children who have died, developed strange diseases, adults also. Would you go in? I would think not, you would look for a lake without the sign if you really needed to swim that bad.
I know many in RSE who have died following the program laid out by JZ Knight and Dispenza he does too, but he does not speak of it. Not only did these people die and some when it was not necessary that they did. They entered RSE wealthy and died in poverty.
This is not something you need to experience for yourself.
I am back in NYC, if you are in the city and would like some more in depth info I would be more then happy to meet with you. Just shoot me a PM
All the best!
