Is TMS a incurable disease?

[hodini]

Hodini, a disorder is not necessarily fatal, a disorder could just be a dis-order, something out of the ususal order, an imbalance. You could say pimples are a disorder, it's treated with Clearasil. Disease, would be another level of imbalance which could also in many instances be attibuted to TMS, dis-ease--tension--the mindbody is in a state of un-ease, creating TMS distractions--emotional imbalances. For the cartesian "scientific proof" see the Holmes-Rahe list of stressful emotional life events, that have proven to cause psychosomatic structural or affective symptoms. We did read the same book, and I've read it several times--word for word--as well as all four of the Good Doctor's books where he evolved and added to the conditons that could be directly contributed to by TMS/psychosomatic dis-ease. I would recommend re-reading Dr. Sarno as all the answers to your doubts about his "science" are answered. You've said you've never had a TMS injury--but to me that is doubtful--you just didn't know it was caused by TMS. Dr. Sarno, who you would think would be the foremost expert on banishing TMS dis-ease had TMS attacks you could call them like heart-burn--TMS is part of the human condition--"dis-order" and "dis-ease" should be hyphenated and "mindbody" and "bodymind" should not be hyphenated to convey the proper semantics of the "thing". For a very benign and mundane example, except maybe to the sufferer, would be blushing, I'm sure you've blushed, if so you exhibited a benign instance of an autonomic bodily TMS phenomenon. Your sub-c creates a change of blood flow, to a part of your body, that was at that moment, not under your conscious control. Dr. Sarno would say to "think psychologically", when this happens and maybe next time you are in an embarrassing situation, your conscious mind will be in control of the situation and you won't blush out of embarrassment.

So basically, what is the proof of Dr. Sarno's theory?--the thousands of patients he's cured and documented scientifically in his fifty years of clinical practice, the hundreds of testimonials in the "SUCCESS STORIES" at the two TMS sites and the hundreds of success story reviews at Amazon--there is your science--were they all wrong?--and if that doesn't convince you that Dr. Sarno's TMS is real and has helped thousands banish their chronic pain, then talk to Howard Stern about him, Howard even cites Dr. Sarno in his book as having cured him of his OCD and back pain.

Hi TT,

I hope I have not given the impression that I thought TMS could be a fatal disease or condition. I do not think so. Do you?

Of course I am subject to blushing though I do not blush easily and it probably happens more from excitement then embarrassment.

Seems like you are tying to say that every autonomic body symptom is TMS. If that is the case, yes, I would have TMS, because I blush, I breathe, the hairs go up on the back of my neck, I cry real tears, I have orgasms, so I hope it is incurable........ That is if it were so.

I am not looking to debate or be convinced on Sarno's theories at the present.

The title of this thread was "Is TMS an incurable disease" I think using the word disease was perhaps off putting and should be replaced with another term. I have requested this of Forest, or, to let me know how to edit it but as yet have not received a response.

That is the simple question you have not as yet addressed as I mentioned before;

"Beyond that, This is far off track from the initial thread, I still do not know your view on the question I posed, how about simply filling in the blanks for me and others. "I think TMS is a _______________ disease, condition, disorder (take your pick) because_________________________________."

 

[JanAtheCPA]

I answered the question, but my my answer probably doesn't fit into your prescribed format.

Everyone is going to have a different answer, because everyone experiences this work in a different way, and they see and use the work of Dr. Sarno quite differently.

Sorry, but as I said before, it's grey and it's squishy. It's not possible for mind work to be black & white or rigidly defined.

I doubt that editing the title of your post will make any difference to the thread, which has essentially devolved to two people having a theoretical discussion. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not a good use of Forest's valuable time. Or mine, for that matter, since I could do it, but I am going to decline, because I don't see any benefit to the forum, nor any harm being done to any forum participants - one of those typically being the requirement for a moderator edit. Our general rule is to leave things be unless there is harm being done or posts are being reported by other members.

 

[Tennis Tom]

That is the simple question you have not as yet addressed as I mentioned before;

"Beyond that, This is far off track from the initial thread, I still do not know your view on the question I posed, how about simply filling in the blanks for me and others. "I think TMS is a _part of the human condition_____________ disease, condition, disorder (take your pick) because________it is a PROTECTOR from feeling emotional pain that the sub-c decided would be even more painful then the TMS structural or affective symptom_________________________."

"I think TMS is apart of the human condition because it is a PROTECTOR from feeling emotional pain that the sub-c decided would be even more painful then the TMS structural or affective symptom.

 

[hodini]

I answered the question, but my my answer probably doesn't fit into your prescribed format.

Everyone is going to have a different answer, because everyone experiences this work in a different way, and they see and use the work of Dr. Sarno quite differently.

Sorry, but as I said before, it's grey and it's squishy. It's not possible for mind work to be black & white or rigidly defined.

I doubt that editing the title of your post will make any difference to the thread, which has essentially devolved to two people having a theoretical discussion. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not a good use of Forest's valuable time. Or mine, for that matter, since I could do it, but I am going to decline, because I don't see any benefit to the forum, nor any harm being done to any forum participants - one of those typically being the requirement for a moderator edit. Our general rule is to leave things be unless there is harm being done or posts are being reported by other members.

Yes you did answer the question I posed, thank you for that. I do not require a prescribed format, I suggested that to TT to try and keep the thread on topic. Thank you for your answer and explanation re the edit.

 

[hodini]

"I think TMS is a __part of the human condition_____________ disease, condition, disorder (take your pick) because________it is a PROTECTOR from feeling emotional pain that the sub-c decided would be even more painful then the TMS structural or affective symptom_________________________."

Thanks Tom!

 

[Tennis Tom]

I suggested that to TT to try and keep the thread on topic.

"on topic"?--this is the internets--after the first page everything relevant has been said, and all bets are off.

 

[Shanshu Vampyr]

In my experience, identifying with TMS as a condition is almost as damaging as identifying with "my sciatica" or "my herniated discs."

There is an issue of English semantics here as well.

I prefer to operationally define TMS as a construct that acts as a beacon or a proximity alert system of sorts.

 

[Tennis Tom]

I prefer to operationally define TMS as a construct that acts as a beacon or a proximity alert system of sorts.

TMS is a lot easier to say. My longhand for it is : "psychosomatic dis-ease" for a generic scientific term, that everyone understands. But, TMS is a lot quicker off the tongue. Now, when I or my GF, get a twinge of pain, a tingle, a cramp, or a strain sensation--we just say, "It's TMS", or the "TMS gremlin" and shake it off, banishing it at the speed of pain.

 

[JanAtheCPA]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again - in agreement with TT, TMS is a convenient term that I continue to use in honor of Dr. Sarno - but in my personal life and health, I've taken the concept way beyond what Dr. Sarno envisioned. My third favorite book, after TDM and Hope & Help For Your Nerves, is "When The Body Says No" by Dr. Gabor Mate.