What else is there - Seriously

Rabscuttle said:
That was me Lee. I wasn’t referring to a physical or material rock bottom. I was referring to your relation with your cfs and your approach to the recovery process. As Booble mentioned it isn’t necessary for us to hit rock bottoms but for many dealing with this it is unfortunately what happens. Many people go through rock bottoms, it’s not just related to addiction. For many their rock bottoms come on their death beds as they reflect on mistakes and regrets. That’s why people find god and spirituality at the end. A rock bottom isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s a launching point for a new approach, a new view. It can be a blessing. That doesn’t have to be you. That’s just the perspective I get from reading your posts here. You come here practically looking for fights and spiting the process. And if how you act here is any indication of how you live and treat yourself, then I’m not really surprised you’re dealing with decades of symptoms. Something is off internally. This isn’t just occurring in a vacuum.
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I actually don't look for fights, but people seem to get offended when it doesn't work, which seems crazy to me.

I'm fully connected to my emotions 100 % but that doesn't feel like a good thing
 
Lee222 said:
I actually don't look for fights, but people seem to get offended when it doesn't work, which seems crazy to me.
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No you totally do act with very little class on here. I mean everyone here has pretty much given up on you already. You go off at everyone trying to help you. Your entire attitude is cynical. I dont even know why im taking the time to comment but your introspective ability is lacking, or at the very least youre hididng its existence.
 
Mani said:
No you totally do act with very little class on here. I mean everyone here has pretty much given up on you already. You go off at everyone trying to help you. Your entire attitude is cynical. I dont even know why im taking the time to comment but your introspective ability is lacking, or at the very least youre hididng its existence.
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Look I've been doing this stuff for decades, if it hasn't worked I'm gonna say that, why does that offend you?
 
Lee222 said:
Look I've been doing this stuff for decades, if it hasn't worked I'm gonna say that, why does that offend you?
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You do not offend me at all. We all have been there mate. We know how hopeless you feel, thats why some people are actually still trying to help you.

You agree that you have tms right?
 
Mani said:
You do not offend me at all. We all have been there mate. We know how hopeless you feel, thats why some people are actually still trying to help you.

You agree that you have tms right?
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I don't feel hopeless, I have cfs and I'm kind of used to it, I can handle it, it's all I know.

It probably is caused by emotions but if connecting to them worked I'd say so but it hasn't, it's not big deal, in sure it works for some and not others, same as everything
 
Lee222 said:
I don't feel hopeless, I have cfs and I'm kind of used to it, I can handle it, it's all I know.

It probably is caused by emotions but if connecting to them worked I'd say so but it hasn't, it's not big deal, in sure it works for some and not others, same as everything
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Out of curiosity, why do you read and post in this forum? Wouldn't you be more comfortable in Phoenix Rising CFS/ME forum?
I used to spend a lot of time over there but once I found TMS I found it counter productive to spend time there though I do miss some of the "friends" I made and it was helpful for me at times. (Now I'm wondering--- are you User Name Lee over there?)
In your case, it feels like this TMS forum is counter productive for you.
 
Booble said:
Out of curiosity, why do you read and post in this forum? Wouldn't you be more comfortable in Phoenix Rising CFS/ME forum?
I used to spend a lot of time over there but once I found TMS I found it counter productive to spend time there though I do miss some of the "friends" I made and it was helpful for me at times. (Now I'm wondering--- are you User Name Lee over there?)
In your case, it feels like this TMS forum is counter productive for you.
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I believe Cfs is caused by trapped emotions but the people on phoenix rising don't believe that. Surely that would cause a clash with me and the others on there?

The only issue I have is the emotions.dont release for me, I can cure cfs temporarily if I numb my emotions with drugs for example.

A good example for me would be when I tried faster eft and EMDR, both connected me to my emotions, but they made me worse because the emotions didn't release, but the therapist was able to take responsibility for that, probably too stressful for them.

If tms didn't work for you, people would get angry at you as well.
 
Lee222 said:
I've no idea, I've tried most things, keep fighting I guess, what else can you do
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The thing is, you're on a forum that's all about mind-body/TMS techniques. If you've tried most of what's been suggested and patiently given those techniques a good go, then I guess you're hoping someone will come up with something new that you haven't already considered—which is presumably why you've been posting on a thread titled "What else is there... seriously?"

From what I can gather, no one has suggested anything that's new to you, or at least nothing that you feel is worth trying.

If it were me, I'd start a separate thread saying that you believe your CFS is due to trapped emotions, give a comprehensive list of everything you've tried so far, and ask if anyone has any fresh ideas. I'd also make it clear that you're not looking to be told you've been doing it wrong or simply haven't tried hard enough. If someone ignores that and goes down that route anyway, I'd just leave it. Don't argue or get drawn into it, because that can put off the very people who might have different suggestions to offer.

Then I'd just bump the thread every so often to see if anyone new has anything to add. In a way, it's like casting a fishing net and checking it now and again to see if there's anything new in it. Maybe someone will come up with a useful idea, maybe they won't.

In the meantime, I'd keep doing your own research into ways of releasing stuck emotions and, as you're already doing, get on with your life as best you can despite your symptoms.
 
BloodMoon said:
The thing is, you're on a forum that's all about mind-body/TMS techniques. If you've tried most of what's been suggested and patiently given those techniques a good go, then I guess you're hoping someone will come up with something new that you haven't already considered—which is presumably why you've been posting on a thread titled "What else is there... seriously?"

From what I can gather, no one has suggested anything that's new to you, or at least nothing that you feel is worth trying.

If it were me, I'd start a separate thread saying that you believe your CFS is due to trapped emotions, give a comprehensive list of everything you've tried so far, and ask if anyone has any fresh ideas. I'd also make it clear that you're not looking to be told you've been doing it wrong or simply haven't tried hard enough. If someone ignores that and goes down that route anyway, I'd just leave it. Don't argue or get drawn into it, because that can put off the very people who might have different suggestions to offer.

Then I'd just bump the thread every so often to see if anyone new has anything to add. In a way, it's like casting a fishing net and checking it now and again to see if there's anything new in it. Maybe someone will come up with a useful idea, maybe they won't.

In the meantime, I'd keep doing your own research into ways of releasing stuck emotions and, as you're already doing, get on with your life as best you can despite your symptoms.
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Thanks but I think people already know I have cfs

It's like there's this weird thing in the energy healing community were people believe it it doesn't work then the person trying to heal is to blame.

When let's be honest the results are dubious at best
 
Lee222 said:
Thanks but I think people already know I have cfs
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I think the main point that @BloodMoon was making is to share what you've tried so that people can help you by suggesting alternatives, that goes far beyond people simply knowing that you have CFS.

Lee222 said:
It's like there's this weird thing in the energy healing community were people believe it it doesn't work then the person trying to heal is to blame.

When let's be honest the results are dubious at best
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Are you including TMS healing as part of this? Just wanted to clarify what you mean when you speaking of energy healing.
 
Adam Coloretti (coach) said:
I think the main point that @BloodMoon was making is to share what you've tried so that people can help you by suggesting alternatives, that goes far beyond people simply knowing that you have CFS.



Are you including TMS healing as part of this? Just wanted to clarify what you mean when you speaking of energy healing.
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I tried tms, EMDR, faster eft, somatic experience, a lot of the Cfs therapies, lightning process etc

They're all basically the same, connect to your emotions, I crash with stress, they get offended, they blame me etc and I try something new
 
Lee222 said:
I tried tms, EMDR, faster eft, somatic experience, a lot of the Cfs therapies, lightning process etc

They're all basically the same, connect to your emotions, I crash with stress, they get offended, they blame me etc and I try something new
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I'm sorry you had that experience - in a way I can only speak for myself but I am pretty confident everyone else on this forum agrees when I say that I'm not offended and I don't blame you - assuming it is TMS (I can't tell you that for sure that's up to you), then yes I do think you can get better, but that's not me blaming you. Everyone's journey is different and different tools resonate, you've just got to keep going and keep looking at it from different angles until it clicks :)
 
Lee222 said:
They're all basically the same, connect to your emotions, I crash with stress, they get offended, they blame me etc and I try something new
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...and so now you don't want to try something new that anyone might suggest on these forums because it's likely to be about connecting to your emotions and from your past experience you expect if you tried it you'd crash just as you have done before.

Have I got that right?

My trying to understand and summarise what the exact situation is, is not at all about me blaming you, but we want to help people on these forums, so, if I've got the right end of the stick, how can we help you?

Or is it a case of you purely wanting to point out to others who are trying to recover and to those of us who have recovered that, from your experience and observations, mind-body/TMS techniques don't work for everyone (in fact, in your view, far from everyone)?

So that we can all be au fait with what you're about and why you're here, it would be great if you could share your aims in being here.
 
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BloodMoon said:
...and so now you don't want to try something new that anyone might suggest on these forums because it's likely to be about connecting to your emotions and from your past experience you expect if you tried it you'd crash just as you have done before.

Have I got that right?

My trying to understand and summarise what the exact situation is, is not at all about me blaming you, but we want to help people on these forums, so, if I've got the right end of the stick, how can we help you?

Or is it a case of you purely wanting to point out to others who are trying to recover and to those of us who have recovered that, from your experience and observations, mind-body/TMS don't work for everyone (in fact, in your view, far from everyone)?

So that we can all be au fait with what you're about and why you're here, it would be great if you could share your aims in being here.
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I'm here because I've got Cfs, from experience connecting to my emotions makes my symptoms worse and i tend to crash
 
Lee222 said:
I'm here because I've got Cfs, from experience connecting to my emotions makes my symptoms worse and i tend to crash
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That is about your perception of what is happening to you, it's not about why you are here. What do you need? What do you want via support from the people that are here?
 
Cactusflower said:
That is about your perception of what is happening to you, it's not about why you are here. What do you need? What do you want via support from the people that are here?
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I'm here because people keep messaging me and it shows in my notifications

Why are you here?
 
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