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[Boston Redsox]

Brian

is there any benefits in reading tpp from cover to cover without doing the breathing?

 

[Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)]

Hi, Brian. Good to hear from you, too. More people are practicing PP and finding it to be helpful emotionally and spiritually.

 

[Dom]

Having said I liked MB for his integrity, some red flags are going up, since my RNA drops googling. First off there's this... http://www.myrnadropsblog.com/2013/03/31/rna_drops_chicken_soup/
To quote...
"When my friend Michael Brown called me to ask me to write a review of his book before I read it my mind went into a frenzy of reactions. The first reaction was: BRILLIANT! What a wonderful reversal of book-world protocol! Yes, I thought to myself with child-like glee, invite folks to write review and then get a free copy of the book for which the review was written. For just a fleeting second a twinge of jealousy colored my admiration for such a clever scheme…somehow I wish it would have been MY idea to do this type of promotion when releasing a new book. WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!"

Er... no, not a great idea, but a fraudulent one, or run-of-the-mill scam. You're supposed to get a free copy of the book from MB, but you don't, if you read the article and comments. His inspiration for the book is drawn from Bob Neveritt, who also goes under other names, and is the creator of the RNA drops. Not sure what to make of him, listened to him on youtube and seemed quite cerebral, anyway didn't appeal. http://achieveradio.com/payday/#arch. Obviously MB is into this guy. At this point I'm feeling a little sceptical of his claims for the RNA drops. He says he's eating icecream everyday, contrary to other posts he's written about sugar and healthy eating. He's been taking Ayahuasca regularly, eight months every 2 weeks. Nothing wrong with that, but says the RNA drops stopped his seeking with medicinal plants. In fact all the claims for the drops, he might well have made for TPP, which reflects adversely on TPP perhaps, since it didn't resolve these issues. Not that I think anything is a cure-all, it's a journey. Though you should see improvements over time, if something is working for you.
All this doesn't really detract from TPP for me, which is a workbook that contains some simple universal truths, that many people describe elsewhere, just that MB's packaging of it is unique and doable.
Will be interesting to hear what Brian makes of these drops.

 

[BruceMC]

I wrote to Dr Barrett and asked him about the contents and efficacy of RnA Drops and am awaiting his reply.

 

[Dom]

Is he reliable? Dr Barrett gets a lot of negative press, for example http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm

 

[BruceMC]

The people and organizations that Dr Barrett unmasks on Quackwatch publish reams of negative statements about him. However, Dr Barrett has never been successfully sued for any of his allegations about Quackery (although many have tried). He does make a lot of people mad; that's for sure. In fact, he's always involved with litigation. Just interested in what he has to say about RnA Drops. Sure, he has a bias, but so do the people who attack him. I'd be very surprised if RnA Drops has been scientifically tested in a peer-reviewed double-blind random experiment. Have to see what he replies to my inquiry. Of course, us TMSers already know from our own experience that there is some kind of body-mind link. But I'd sure like to know the active ingredients in these RnA Drops.

 

[BrianC]

Brian

is there any benefits in reading tpp from cover to cover without doing the breathing?

There's a small benefit, I'd say, just because it gives a person a little insight into how they work. But when I used to read books cover to cover, even if I tried what they were talking about, they didn't really affect me much. The reason I think TPP is effective is because it's a daily practice one can do to consistently tend to the heart.

TPP says that once you read through the book, you sort of activate Presence just through the knew information. I'm the type who has to experience something, though. I can't just read it. lol I have to try stuff out.

 

[BrianC]

Having said I liked MB for his integrity, some red flags are going up, since my RNA drops googling. First off there's this... http://www.myrnadropsblog.com/2013/03/31/rna_drops_chicken_soup/
To quote...
"When my friend Michael Brown called me to ask me to write a review of his book before I read it my mind went into a frenzy of reactions. The first reaction was: BRILLIANT! What a wonderful reversal of book-world protocol! Yes, I thought to myself with child-like glee, invite folks to write review and then get a free copy of the book for which the review was written. For just a fleeting second a twinge of jealousy colored my admiration for such a clever scheme…somehow I wish it would have been MY idea to do this type of promotion when releasing a new book. WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!"

Er... no, not a great idea, but a fraudulent one, or run-of-the-mill scam. You're supposed to get a free copy of the book from MB, but you don't, if you read the article and comments. His inspiration for the book is drawn from Bob Neveritt, who also goes under other names, and is the creator of the RNA drops. Not sure what to make of him, listened to him on youtube and seemed quite cerebral, anyway didn't appeal. http://achieveradio.com/payday/#arch. Obviously MB is into this guy. At this point I'm feeling a little sceptical of his claims for the RNA drops. He says he's eating icecream everyday, contrary to other posts he's written about sugar and healthy eating. He's been taking Ayahuasca regularly, eight months every 2 weeks. Nothing wrong with that, but says the RNA drops stopped his seeking with medicinal plants. In fact all the claims for the drops, he might well have made for TPP, which reflects adversely on TPP perhaps, since it didn't resolve these issues. Not that I think anything is a cure-all, it's a journey. Though you should see improvements over time, if something is working for you.
All this doesn't really detract from TPP for me, which is a workbook that contains some simple universal truths, that many people describe elsewhere, just that MB's packaging of it is unique and doable.
Will be interesting to hear what Brian makes of these drops.

Man, I never know what to think about stuff I read online. I've seen completely fraudulent things put out about people just because someone else believes differently than they do. It's pretty messed up. That's why I try things for myself. I've seem good people defrauded for things they didn't do. I've also seen people have complete misunderstandings about things and blow things out of proportion. The internet is full of a lot of screwy stuff.

TPP works well for me, so I tend not to believe things like what you found online. No way to know if it's true or a complete misunderstanding or what. Thanks for sharing, though, of course. I think it's best to stick to our own personal experiences in this thread rather than speculating on posts found on the internet. I'd hate to turn a lot of people off to TPP just because I found a fraudulent post about MB. And besides, TPP speaks for itself, even if MB were found to have issues. That's why I like to stick to our personal experiences with it.

I'll let you know how the RnA Drops work. I've heard some interesting testimonies on them so far. Cool stuff.

 

[BrianC]

The people and organizations that Dr Barrett unmasks on Quackwatch publish reams of negative statements about him. However, Dr Barrett has never been successfully sued for any of his allegations about Quackery (although many have tried). He does make a lot of people mad; that's for sure. In fact, he's always involved with litigation. Just interested in what he has to say about RnA Drops. Sure, he has a bias, but so do the people who attack him. I'd be very surprised if RnA Drops has been scientifically tested in a peer-reviewed double-blind random experiment. Have to see what he replies to my inquiry. Of course, us TMSers already know from our own experience that there is some kind of body-mind link. But I'd sure like to know the active ingredients in these RnA Drops.

I'd like to know the ingredients to the RnA Drops, but I haven't had time to find the ingredients yet. I'm not too interested in someone's opinion if they haven't used them, though, even if it is a doctor. I know a lot of doctors who've put out really uninformed opinions that are dead wrong. But hey, it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say. People's opinions fascinate me.

 

[Dom]

Yes Brian, the internet is a double-edged sword and throws up a lot, and it's wise to be sceptical. Personally I find it useful to be aware of these things, but keep an open mind and sort of feel it out for myself. I've learned a lot about groups, cults, gurus etc. Information that just wasn't in the public domain before the internet and might have helped people make more informed decisions in the past. Usually a weight of evidence is needed to tip the scales. Not mentioning any names, but I've known gurus that I've had 'nice' personal experiences with, but finding out they were drug addicts or sexual molesters from reliable sources, kind of put me off them, even if they were spouting universal truths, and I think that's a good thing. In any case, the first article link I posted seems genuine, although it could conceivably be a misunderstanding, because 1) it is on the pop drops RNA site and 2)MB has written a post there too, so he's probably seen it. http://www.myrnadropsblog.com/2013/02/17/rna-drops-addressing-the-steroid-lifestyle/
I agree with you "TPP speaks for itself, even if MB were found to have issues." But I'm also open for information that might generate anxiety or cognitive dissonance or inform my understanding of TPP, also not wanting to stick my head in the sand, and to resist the tendency to idealise people. I think there's something mature about that. I can handle enjoying TPP, and MB having some 'foibles', I'm hopeful others can too. And somehow issues and anxiety around trust, authority figures, etc... "who or what do I believe?" that might get triggered, become part of my personal process. Something to explore perhaps...

 

[BrianC]

Dom,

Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with what you just said.

I think it's healthy for people to find out their heroes aren't perfect and have issues. It teaches us not to depend on someone else to show us the way, but instead to find it on our own. So it's good when we find out gurus aren't what they're cracked up to be. It's like a wake-up call that Presence is showing us some emotional issue that we were very likely going to someone else to try to fix. I know I had that issue over the years. One thing I've found with TPP is that I no longer look for people to give me answers or look up to. It's really nice to know that I can actually trust myself completely to find the best path for me and I don't have to search out other people to show me that way. I'm not saying anything bad about gurus or looking up to people, of course. That's sort of a right of passage everyone must go through until they find their authentic self, I think. Some people don't have that issue, and some do. Thank God I found the answers in myself so I don't have to keep searching. Searching can be fun, but it can be exhausting and discouraging, too. I still learn, and that's fun, but there's no major emotional signature driving it anymore. Well, I won't say that 100%. I still have a few issues to resolve that drive that. I'm sure there are gurus and others out there who are the real deal and probably help people, but I'm glad I don't have to go see them to find my way.

 

[Dom]

Yeah Brian, I'll drink to that...sparkling water of course, no alcohol while doing TPP!
I'm kinda glad that my heroes and horrors in many fields, have had feet of clay and gotten debunked for me over the years. It's so nice to come home inside and not be caught up in looking for completion outside or in dependency on teachers. Standing in one's essential aloneness and self-responsibility, still learning and open but without the neediness and projections driving it. There may be real deal gurus and flawed ones who still have something to offer, but the dynamic is fraught with problems...though like everything, if it happens , it's required. But the best guru is the inner guru. In this regard, I think the internet has helped to democratize growth and spirituality and make people more savvy. And yes I had the same feeling when I came across TPP, no need to look outside anymore or be somewhere else than where I am. Aah peace! Well, sometimes anyway...

 

[BruceMC]

"RnA Drops are the New Alchemy for the New Environment! Enhance creativity and empower yourself to achieve the highest expression of your super-coolness! RnA Drops give new information to our rna which affects our dna via an improved tuning function of Chromosome 14, allowing the replication of perfect cells. Imagine a photocopier that's duplicating a faded master text and the toner is also running low. RnA Drops 'enhance the master text' and 'replenish the toner' allowing the new master copy to make refreshed, perfect cells."

If this is a synopsis of how RnA Drops work, how about a chemical formula detailing the way it "tunes" Chromosome 14 along with some concrete examples of its effects from the laboratory? Taking crystal meth makes some people think they're now expressing their new "super-coolness" too!

I'm sure Dr Barrett will reply that RnA Drops are bogus. But I hope he also supplies some reasons why that's the case. I know he unmasked those electrical generators that, when immersed in a saline solution, turn the water brown. People would buy the generators for $500 bucks, put their feet in a foot bath, and think the water turned brown because the electrical current was extracting toxins from their bodies, when in fact the salt was merely changing color when exposed to an low-voltage electrical current. Think those generators are still selling like hotcakes though; some people swear by them.

 

[Boston Redsox]

can u say Palcebo effect

 

[BrianC]

Well, I have no expectations for the drops. I've heard (audio) a few seemingly genuine testimonies on them, and I'm very good at reading people. They weren't lying. I suppose it could be placebo, but the results they got from it weren't something placebo can do, in my opinion, unless someone does a ton of emotional work. There are just so many variables, it's difficult to go off of other people's experiences. Just because they worked for some people (whether placebo or not), doesn't mean they'll work for me. The only thing that makes sense to me is to try them myself, with zero expectation, and see what happens. I'll do some more research and see how these drops affect Chromosome 14. I'll also take them to my doctor to have them tested. I'll let you know how it goes. If these drops are for real, they should work pretty well on a guy like me simply because I've done emotional work to clear up some things already, which makes me very open and receptive to change.

I told my wife I was giving the RnA Drops a try. She said she'd give them a try if they worked for me. Then my comical mind twisted what she said into, "If you don't die from them, then maybe I'll try them out." lol

I will say this--the results these people are getting are what a person with Multiple Personality Disorder experiences when all of their personalities integrate into a single personality. They'll have incurable diseases, terminal diseases, be overweight (or underweight), have hormone issues, no energy, depression, bipolar, anxiety, you name it. But when their personalities integrate, all of that goes away and they drop to a normal, healthy weight for them and be perfectly happy individuals.

 

[BrianC]

RnA DROPS INGREDIENTS

What are the ingredients of the RnA drops?
The RnA drops contain the iCell which is a newly-created cell that is incubated and harvested using sprouted barley grain along with minute amounts of clover seeds and pepper seeds which is moisturized with alfalfa water and spritzed with a solution of live yeast sponge.

 

[BruceMC]

I know there has been criticism about the application of barley and yeast to human RnA. Apples and oranges? Sent the patent to Dr. Barrett. Have to see what (if any thing) he fires back.

 

[BrianC]

Cool.

 

[Fairmountain]

Cool.

Hey man read a lot of your experiences with TPP over the course of this tread and one around June. I googled it to see if I could find some more information about it.

I think it might help me having an avenue to express and talk about my experiences as well. At the moment I moved in with my parents to do 'inner work' and completed my first 10 weeks. I did not fallow the process specifically and only took aspects of it to combine with some of the other 'teachings' I have been using.

My experience so far has been a lot of physical pain in respect to areas in the throat, stomach, chest and pelvic area. I just pulled myself out of an addition binge for the last 2 weeks and I'm looking forward to jumping in my practice again with full force. I thought this thread might help keep me on point. Till about two keeps ago I was taking hot baths for about 30min - 1hr and it was really intense. I also experienced the tingling sensation you spoke about in a previous post if I pick up my breathing. But if the water is really hot I naturally feel like I need to breath faster. In my experience I don't think this is a fleet resonance that it emotional in nature but rather a side effect biologically. Thats how it 'feels' for myself at least. But knowing that this was your experience as well made me more able to accept this experience for myself as valid. Perhaps its a biological effect but there might be emotional reactions to it within myself...Doing the long baths really seemed to awaken a lot of painful sensations in the body. I'll start posting my experiences ever few days now that I am back at it again.

What has been your experience with these painful sensations? They do dissolve after being with them, and it is hard to know what has taken place after they are gone. But then usually another one springs back up.

Also, I think at the moment my main focus is working with anger and the grief that arises under it. I am afraid to feel anger, I am afraid to feel grief. I suppress both of them. I also get the feeling that when I spend a lot of time in awareness that I am afraid to feel certain emotions or that unconsciously I am 'wanting to get rid of' these emotions. So there is something here that I want to investigate as well.

One of my biggest sticking points at the moment is feeling the underlaying emotions under anger. I can't tell if I am suppressing anger or numbed to grief or sadness. I think I am so used to suppression that I don't know anything else. It will be interesting to dive into this again.

Also I wanted to refer you to these three videos by Scott Kiloby. I found these methods to be really helpful and work great in combination with TPP. He talks about how our problems only seem real when words and pictures are labeling the emotion. This is something your most likely aware of already through TPP but I found the videos to be helpful. Also he as a blog on the Natural Rest for Addiction site with information that is similar to this work. There are also blog articles about sitting with contractions with some interesting information about them.

Lets look for a Problem

Life is a meditation

Compulsive Inquiry for Addiction

 

[Boston Redsox]

Brian

It sounds like you are trying to hard....maybe a step back is needed. Just a thought it worked for me. The ttp for me was to demanding I felt like I needed to work to hard at it...I am sure it was me taking the wrong approach?