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Psycho-Physiological Dizziness Syndrome (PPDS)

I don't have any new answers for you, @Lojos, I'm sorry. It's the same old thing - you've got a big burden of physical issues, and my answer will always be that doing the emotional work and building a toolkit of TMS resources will always help ANYONE, no matter what they are dealing with, to manage and cope with "real" physical conditions.

A constructive and proactive mindset is how professional athletes get back into the game quickly - because they have learned how to harness their emotional and mental resources to self-heal.

And I once read about a study of patients with extensive life-threatening 3rd-degree burns, comparing the outcomes of the different victims in one intensive burn-treatment facility, studying the different mental mindsets of the patients. The ones who were proactive and accountable for being constructively positive and engaging fully in their treatment and in their progress had significantly - measurably - better outcomes than those with negative outlooks and an unwillingness to engage in their own self-healing.

I would absolutely take a serious look at Yonit Arthur, thanks to @Lucylu for that link. Yonit is pretty well known in the mindbody community. She is totally on board with the emotional component of PPPD, and she is a trained professional. Her YT channel content is free.
 
PS @Lojos -

Every time you post, you go into detail about the physical issues you're dealing with and the circumstances leading up to your current situation - and you also go into WAY too much detail about your PPPD symptoms. This kind of focus on the physical and on the symptoms is the #1 thing we warn everyone against, IF they want to find recovery by engaging with their TMS brains.

I find myself hesitant to challenge you about this because of the real physical and medical issues that you are dealing with - which means that you are doing yourself a disservice with this behavior, because it ends up being a distraction and doesn't get you the help with TMS that you presumably want. I say presumably, because if you're not interested in how TMS knowledge and skills can help you, there's no point in being on our forum.

I stand by my response here: https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/fatigue.28860/#post-152015 (Fatigue)

So I'm going to get even more tough, and tell you that even if you tag me again, I personally can't continue to spend my time slogging through another repetition of your details, trying to figure out if there's an emotional component we can constructively discuss. Newbies get to do that for a short amount of time - usually they get with the emotional program and stop on their own, or we have to remind them that Dr. Sarno taught us to "think psychologically, not physically".

If you want to continue engaging with me, and perhaps others who have tried to reach you based on what we actually do here, you need to find a very short generic description* to replace ALL of the detail. No more repetitive descriptions of the physical issues, no more repetitive retelling of the recent medical incident, and no more describing all of your PPPD symptoms and how/when/why they happen. These are not helpful for you or anyone else. 99% of your writing space needs to be focused on your emotions, on the topic of victimhood, on your self-abusive refusal to let others help you, etc. If you need a starting topic for rage, how about age? The Rage of Age was my big TMS trigger 14/15 years ago as I approached 60. It's obviously still there at 73, but I see it and readily acknowledge it now, thus giving my TMS brain no reason to create symptoms around that topic. It's got others, believe me. If you are over a certain age, and if you think that you are are not filled with rage about aging and mortality, you are delusional. IMHO anyway.

Also, please remind us whether you've ever done the Structured Educational Program or the workbooks by Dr. Schubiner or Dr. Schecter, or Nicole Sachs' program, or even Alan Gordon's program (although I don't recommend Alan for anyone who really needs to get in touch with their repressed emotions).

And look, if you reeeeally need all of your details to appear somewhere, you can post them on your personal profile page, and you can refer people to the "My Story" on your profile if they want to review all of the physical and symptomatic backstory. Go to your profile page, click on the words "My Story", and on that page scroll down until you see a big box for entering text, with "My Story" above the box.


* example of shorter replacement text:
Short story: at age 80 I have/have had multiple physical illnesses, surgeries, and infections; currently suffering with debilitating vestibular symptoms that I believe or hope are emotional, which is called PPPD, because the doctors "can't find anything wrong".
 
I've experienced dizziness before prior to discovering TMS. Looking back, I was in a time of my life when my job was stressful - I experienced chronic anxiety daily. A month ago I was feeling tired and a bit stressed out from a work deadline, I once again experienced that familiar dizziness. My initial instinct was to panic and let my thoughts spiral to the worst possible scenario, but I stopped myself. This type of thinking never helped me before (and I was doing it for a very very long time until I discovered TMS this year) By stopping myself I'm able to break that bad pattern and laugh these things off. I was all good the next day and haven't had a dizzy spell since. I know for a fact if I had given into that fear initially, I have no doubt it my mind it would've turned chronic, because that's just how I functioned before.

I still like to watch Dan Buglio's videos every now and then. This week he actually posted a new video on dizziness/heightened senses I found really interesting. Check it out:

 
Lucylu said:
I had experienced dizziness in the spring of 2024 after a period of stress. I came across Audiologist Yonit Arthur on YouTube who has a free set of exercises on her website, do a search for "The Steady Coach." There is also a paid membership to go deeper, which I paid for, and it was very helpful and got me over this as I learned how to reduce fear. The volume is turned up in stress and fear. Her YouTube channel is full of interviews of people with various types of dizziness experiences and causes who have overcome by implementing TMS strategies.

This is a link to her YT channel
https://youtube.com/@thesteadycoach?si=77vXDGwDc0qQhh4W

Here is a link
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Thank you LuLucylu.
 
JanAtheCPA said:
PS @Lojos -

Every time you post, you go into detail about the physical issues you're dealing with and the circumstances leading up to your current situation - and you also go into WAY too much detail about your PPPD symptoms. This kind of focus on the physical and on the symptoms is the #1 thing we warn everyone against, IF they want to find recovery by engaging with their TMS brains.

I find myself hesitant to challenge you about this because of the real physical and medical issues that you are dealing with - which means that you are doing yourself a disservice with this behavior, because it ends up being a distraction and doesn't get you the help with TMS that you presumably want. I say presumably, because if you're not interested in how TMS knowledge and skills can help you, there's no point in being on our forum.

I stand by my response here: https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/fatigue.28860/#post-152015 (Fatigue)

So I'm going to get even more tough, and tell you that even if you tag me again, I personally can't continue to spend my time slogging through another repetition of your details, trying to figure out if there's an emotional component we can constructively discuss. Newbies get to do that for a short amount of time - usually they get with the emotional program and stop on their own, or we have to remind them that Dr. Sarno taught us to "think psychologically, not physically".

If you want to continue engaging with me, and perhaps others who have tried to reach you based on what we actually do here, you need to find a very short generic description* to replace ALL of the detail. No more repetitive descriptions of the physical issues, no more repetitive retelling of the recent medical incident, and no more describing all of your PPPD symptoms and how/when/why they happen. These are not helpful for you or anyone else. 99% of your writing space needs to be focused on your emotions, on the topic of victimhood, on your self-abusive refusal to let others help you, etc. If you need a starting topic for rage, how about age? The Rage of Age was my big TMS trigger 14/15 years ago as I approached 60. It's obviously still there at 73, but I see it and readily acknowledge it now, thus giving my TMS brain no reason to create symptoms around that topic. It's got others, believe me. If you are over a certain age, and if you think that you are are not filled with rage about aging and mortality, you are delusional. IMHO anyway.

Also, please remind us whether you've ever done the Structured Educational Program or the workbooks by Dr. Schubiner or Dr. Schecter, or Nicole Sachs' program, or even Alan Gordon's program (although I don't recommend Alan for anyone who really needs to get in touch with their repressed emotions).

And look, if you reeeeally need all of your details to appear somewhere, you can post them on your personal profile page, and you can refer people to the "My Story" on your profile if they want to review all of the physical and symptomatic backstory. Go to your profile page, click on the words "My Story", and on that page scroll down until you see a big box for entering text, with "My Story" above the box.


* example of shorter replacement text:
Short story: at age 80 I have/have had multiple physical illnesses, surgeries, and infections; currently suffering with debilitating vestibular symptoms that I believe or hope are emotional, which is called PPPD, because the doctors "can't find anything wrong".
Click to expand...
If you had looked Jan my Story is there and I had BPPV not PPPD.
 
HealingMe said:
I've experienced dizziness before prior to discovering TMS. Looking back, I was in a time of my life when my job was stressful - I experienced chronic anxiety daily. A month ago I was feeling tired and a bit stressed out from a work deadline, I once again experienced that familiar dizziness. My initial instinct was to panic and let my thoughts spiral to the worst possible scenario, but I stopped myself. This type of thinking never helped me before (and I was doing it for a very very long time until I discovered TMS this year) By stopping myself I'm able to break that bad pattern and laugh these things off. I was all good the next day and haven't had a dizzy spell since. I know for a fact if I had given into that fear initially, I have no doubt it my mind it would've turned chronic, because that's just how I functioned before.

I still like to watch Dan Buglio's videos every now and then. This week he actually posted a new video on dizziness/heightened senses I found really interesting. Check it out:

Click to expand...
Thanks Healing Me.
 
Lojos said:
If you had looked Jan my Story is there and I had BPPV not PPPD.
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Our TMSing brains can cause all manner of symptoms so, whether you were diagnosed by the medical profession as having BPPV or PPPD, it's irrelevant with respect to doing TMS work... Our job - when we decide that we are going to do TMS work - is to move our focus away from the medical label we've been given on to what is going on with us psychologically... recognising our anger, rage, fears and reducing our anxiety.

To recover from TMS we need to believe that our symptoms are caused by the brain TMSing (or at least begin doing TMS work with the suspension of any disbelief that we may have).

My suggestion is to self-soothe. Dr Sarno wrote about this in his book 'The Mindbody Prescription' as follows:

"Suppose, however, there is another element in the equation; that it is not simply the quantity of rage that brings on symptoms, but the presence or absence of counterbalancing soothing factors … the occurrence of symptoms reflects too much rage and not enough counteracting soothing elements in one’s life."

If/when you self-soothe I'd recommend to be sure to do so without focussing on any particular TMS symptom (otherwise your TMSing brain might take it that you're believing that there is actually something physically wrong with you and that you're not safe).

I've found the ideas in this book wonderful in helping me self-soothe; they are quick and easy to do and can also become part of one's daily routine: https://www.amazon.com/101-Ways-Fin...hqVZ9OWv5ty7GXFFva71pJ4&qid=1728834014&sr=8-1
 
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BloodMoon said:
Our TMSing brains can cause all manner of symptoms so, whether you were diagnosed by the medical profession as having BPPV or PPPD, it's irrelevant with respect to doing TMS work... Our job - when we decide that we are going to do TMS work - is to move our focus away from the medical label we've been given on to what is going on with us psychologically... recognising our anger, rage, fears and reducing our anxiety.

To recover from TMS we need to believe that our symptoms are caused by the brain TMSing (or at least begin doing TMS work with the suspension of any disbelief that we may have).

My suggestion is to self-soothe. Dr Sarno wrote about this in his book 'The Mindbody Prescription' as follows:

"Suppose, however, there is another element in the equation; that it is not simply the quantity of rage that brings on symptoms, but the presence or absence of counterbalancing soothing factors … the occurrence of symptoms reflects too much rage and not enough counteracting soothing elements in one’s life."

If/when you self-soothe I'd recommend to be sure to do so without focussing on any particular TMS symptom (otherwise your TMSing brain might take it that you're believing that there is actually something physically wrong with you and that you're not safe).

I've found the ideas in this book wonderful in helping me self-soothe; they are quick and easy to do and can also become part of one's daily routine: https://www.amazon.com/101-Ways-Fin...hqVZ9OWv5ty7GXFFva71pJ4&qid=1728834014&sr=8-1
Click to expand...


Thank you BloodMoon. I shall get that book on Kindle.
 
To expand:

I could/perhaps should, have used the acronym PPDS (Psycho-Physiological Dizziness Syndrome per the title of the thread) rather than PPPD (Persistent Postural-Perceptual Dizziness) and I apologize if that confused you, but the truth is that they are really the same thing, and it's all TMS.

BPPV is a subset of PPDS/PPPD, and it is known to be a stress-related condition. And like a lot of chronic conditions which respond to hands-on practices, it is easily treated in the short term with a quick movement technique called the Epley maneuver, which chiropractors often know how to do - and which friends and family members can also learn to do.

However, if BPPV symptoms persist, you've got PPDS (which is presumably why you posted on this thread), which is also referred to as PPPD, and when the medical professionals can't find a cause or a cure, it is ultimately all TMS.

Did you read any of the resources recommended on page 1 of this thread?
 
Thank you Jan for your response.I believe that most dizziness is TMS.My late husband had Menieres which I believe was attributable to stress.I am aware of Yonit Arthur and have done Joey Reninyi’s course..So now it is up to me to be proactive.
 
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