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Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by karinabrown, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi all,

    A couple of months ago i got a private message here on the wiki with a link to a new program online called 'curable'.
    I did a free trial on that program to check it out and it seems related to tms approach : also dr. Sarno is mentioned etc. The app which is conected is pretty good in terms of development (i am designer so this is my 'field of interest.

    But when i put 'curable program in the search box here i do not see any connection what so ever.

    Anyone familiair with this program : knows about it? Its not free by the way.

  2. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Karina,

    This is as much as I know:

    http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/a-tms-app.16634/ (A TMS app?)

    You'll notice that one of the founders of Curable replies on that thread and is amenable to more questions.

    Hopefully someone else here has some experience with it.

    Was it a forum member that sent you the link? Have they tried it?

    Plum x
  3. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi Plum,

    I am a bit surprised! In your link i see a message that you yourself provided a link to the curable website at the time.
    So you are familiair with the site it seems ?
    Yes i received a message from a wiki member, the same who replied on your topic at the time.

    What is a bit confusing is that they claim dr. Schechter and dr. Schubiner (hope i got correct names) are involved and at the same time read they are not anymore. Hope someone has more information and maybe experience with this? The app is very proffesional and seems like they put a lot of energy and thought and time into this project.

  4. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi sweetheart,

    I'm not familiar with the app but it looks pretty good for those who like such things. Hand on heart I don't use apps much at all so I have to defer to the opinion of others. It would be nice to hear what folks think because I can imagine how it could be a valuable asset for those more technically inclined than me.

    Plum x
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  5. gutter3

    gutter3 Peer Supporter

    I also downloaded the app and have gone through the first section that is free. They seem to have the same concept and information. So I didn't really learn much since I already have a good grasp on TMS or MBS. But I don't know what the paid version is like.

    I read somewhere that it's like having an app version of some of the materials from this site. It's only $5 a month so I might try it out. I like that I can get the info from my phone and listen to it. Sometimes that's easiest when you don't have a lot of free time. I think it's worth a shot. I haven't found anyone that has gone through the program to see what the results were.
  6. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi gutter,

    Yes so far i did not read new information there either.
    Maybe slowly the area of tms is finding its way in the world besides this wiki.
    Seems a bit strange i was approach here on the wiki , and there must be more people who have been approached
    we are the 'target' audience so to speak..
  7. lauraseago

    lauraseago Peer Supporter

    Hi everyone!

    I'm Laura - one of Curable's three co-founders. First off, thanks for the feedback! We have worked on this program in partnership with many of the TMS professionals in this community for a long time now, so yes - a lot of time and effort has been put into making it useful, affordable, and accessible for those who don't have a TMS professional near them (or those who wish to supplement their one-on-one work with a TMS therapist).

    The free trial, as you all mentioned here, consists of education. It teaches many of the same concepts you will see here, in Dr. Sarno's books, and in any other TMS literature. One of our biggest goals is to expand awareness of TMS, so keep in mind that the vast majority of our users have never heard of Dr. Sarno or been exposed to these concepts before. Everyone in the TMS wiki, by default, is already a bit more "advanced" than the average user :) Nevertheless, many people who HAVE read Dr. Sarno's books still find the education in the program very useful. As you all know, TMS needs constant reinforcement! The more ways to learn, the better.

    The full program consists of what you might call "tools & techniques"... there are hundred of guided meditations, guided imagery audios, expressive writing prompts, brain training techniques, and more. They're all uniquely centered around topics that TMSers struggle with.... connecting the mind and the body, identifying and releasing difficult emotions, working through childhood traumas, letting go of perfectionism & people pleasing, setting healthy boundaries, gratitude, forgiveness, and more.

    There are several key members of the TMS community who are very involved with Curable. In particular, Dr. John Stracks is the official Medical Advisor who has been with us since day one. Dr. David Schechter has written a great post for our blog and provided feedback on the program early on, along with Dr. Schubiner, Dr. Clarke, and Dr. Hanscom. The TMS therapist community has also been incredible to work with, and several of them are actively using Curable to supplement their work with patients. A few of these practitioners have even been kind enough to appear on our podcast and share their POV on TMS. So far, we have interviews with:
    • Dr. David Clarke (author of "They Can't Find Anything Wrong") about TMS, childhood trauma, and parenting
    • Dr. Tor Wager about the upcoming study he's leading for Alan Gordon and Dr. Howard Schubiner
    • Dr. Fred Luskin, author of "Forgive For Good" about the healing power of Forgiveness
    • John Evans, co-author of "Expressive Writing: Words That Heal" about the healing benefits of writing
    • Dr. John Stracks about his own TMS recovery story, and what drove him to dedicate his career to this
    • Leslie Kaminoff, author of "Yoga Anatomy" about his own Sarno recovery story
    You can find all the episodes here or subscribe to the podcast on iTunes if you're interested. Dr. Schubiner is slated to appear in an upcoming episode for those of you who follow his work.

    In terms of "has anyone tried it" - I'd love to hear feedback from anyone in the community going through the program! So far, we actually have some pretty outstanding results. We survey our users about their pain before starting the program, and then again after 30 days of using Curable. The results so far, across all chronic pain conditions, have shown:
    • 75% report feeling some degree of relief from their physical pain, and 34% reporting that they are feeling “much better” or that their pain is gone.
    • 73% report feeling more physically active, greater control over, less anxiety about, and/or less fear around their physical pain.

    PHEW - sorry this is such a long post, just want to make sure to get you the information you're looking for. We have also been in touch with Forest who has given us permission to create a product page on the Wiki, so I will post that here as soon as we have it ready.

    One more question you didn't ask, but I feel the need to answer.... Why the heck are we investing so much time and effort in this? All three of us co-founders are TMSers, too. [Migraines, sciatica, and knee pain for me!] We had our lives drastically changed by this, and (like many of you) are trying to find a way to make the healthcare system and the world better with these methods. We KNOW this can work... it just needs some help reaching more people, and persuading them that THIS is what's causing their pain. That's what we're trying to do. Hopefully, those of you who are a little further along in your journey can find it useful as well.

    And in case you are wondering... s/o to my co-founders @John Gribbin and @elue who are on the wiki as well :) We don't find the time to post too often, but are happy to come in and answer whatever you need us to!

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  8. Forest

    Forest Beloved Grand Eagle

    Thanks for posting, Laura. I look forward to seeing the official thread you are making!
  9. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi Laura,

    This is great news!
    I felt like something was 'missing' and this is it.
    When you have a page on this wiki the connection is made.

    As a designer i sure noticed (as you read in my comment) the quality of the app. So far only seen the free trial but that is very promissing.

    As a pain sufferer i am also very happy to see those new 'projects'
    But : and maybe i am too negative here: i am afraid that the 'regular medical industry' will always conflict with these approaches for pain. Simply because people in pain are a billion dollar buisseness.

    On the other hand here in the netherlands some eyes are opened. In my struglle to find solutions for my pain : i did come across two specialist who mentioned the possible link between my pain and my mind. But there was no education after that to help me understand that message let alone start working with these facts. Took me 4 years to educate myself, with this wiki who lead the way !

    So i can only say that i hope you have success getting the app and the message out there !

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  10. lauraseago

    lauraseago Peer Supporter

    Thank you, Karina!

    Totally understand your frustration with the billion dollar industry thing. I don't think that overturning the industry will be an overnight process (as you've clearly seen... lots of great minds have been working on this approach for years!). That being said, we are seeing a very positive shift. With the opioid epidemic on the rise, physicians are seeking out safe alternatives. The systems for their success metrics are changing, too. It's baby steps, but it's in the right direction. I have been pleasantly surprised by the reaction of "mainstream" neurologists and physicians to our program. Not only do we find that many are receptive to it, but it seems to be that many openly agree with it. They have had their own set of frustrations with trying to explain the mindbody connection to their patients, and are grateful to have another avenue to get the message across.

    Though it may happen more slowly than we'd like, I do believe that the attitudes and beliefs around this approach are shifting... and we are excited to help fuel that shift as much as we can.
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  11. Gigalos

    Gigalos Beloved Grand Eagle

    I think it is a frustration for many MD's. Both my doctor and my neurologist showed an expression of pleasant surprise when I told them I wanted to follow the TMS path.
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  12. gutter3

    gutter3 Peer Supporter

    I had the app on my samsung. Do you also have it for iphones? I searched curable in the apple store and couldn't find it. :(
  13. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi gutter ,

    I have app for iPhone on my phone : its there !
  14. lauraseago

    lauraseago Peer Supporter

    Hi @gutter3!

    You can't currently access the program from the app store, but there is a way to get the app icon on your phone once you have started the program.

    • Start by going to www.curablehealth.com/clara, and chat with Clara to create your free account
    • If you are on a mobile device, you will be able to access the side menu (three horizontal lines) once your account is created
    • Click "add icon to phone" and follow the instructions
    This works on any mobile device - iPhone, Android, or tablet.

    Hope this helps!
  15. gutter3

    gutter3 Peer Supporter

    Sweet! I got it now. Thanks!!!
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  16. toast38coza

    toast38coza New Member

    I've been using Curable for a couple weeks now and have upgraded. I like it.

    re: "Yes so far i did not read new information there either." .. I would say this is true, but it's also true for most of the TMS resources out there .. two or three books in, and most books follow the same pattern (info, case studies, exercises). I still find it useful to reinforce the information though .. so, the more the merrier I say!

    Some of the things that I like about curable are:

    1. It's packaged really nicely, and is very easy to use
    2. I think it gives you a really nice pace, and I like the guided experience. They've done a good job of breaking the journey into manageable chunks (typically 5 to 10 minute pieces). This is cool cause it makes it easy to consume while at the same time keeping a structured journey through your TMS experience.
    3. Don't get too hung up on the fact that you ultimately need to pay. I think people are weird about paying for apps. Don't forget, books cost money too! ;) ... and doctors cost _a lot_ of money!
  17. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi toast,

    I agree : i am still on the free trial : but like it!
    The chunks’ are a really good thing : it prefents from going on and on
    So far like it a lot!
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  18. JoeB1

    JoeB1 Peer Supporter

    Looking forward to listening to those episodes Laura! Especially the diet and exercise one!
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  19. elue

    elue New Member

    A well written article on Curable, Dr. Sarno & chronic pain ~ couldn't have said it better myself ~ http://www.5280.com/2017/10/local-app-tries-help-chronic-pain/ (Local App Tries to Help With Chronic Pain - 5280) (though some of the language was simplified to make more sense for people outside of the TMS community)

    Keep an eye out on iTunes for a new episode on the Like Mind, Like Body podcast. We've got an interview with the one and only Dr. Schubiner that should be up tonight. He'll be talking about how he got into mindbody medicine, his interactions with the late Dr. Sarno, and what he's learned over the years about fibromyalgia. It starts out strong with, "The idea that the brain causes pain is not a theory, it's a fact". He's got a lot of neat research & projects in the works. I'm especially excited for his new book for physicians that he's co-authoring called Hidden From View with instruction on how to help patients with TMS, it should be out near the end of the year. Having more physicians & therapists out there helping patients find their way out of pain faster would be amazing.
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2017
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  20. Steve Ozanich

    Steve Ozanich TMS Consultant

    I'm curious in the article where it says "some of Dr. Sarno's specific hypotheses have been proven false." Those of us doing his work have not seen this? What is it that has been proven false? More specifically, it says "hypotheses" as in more than one. I see people claiming every day that Dr. Sarno is wrong but never anything proven. Just curious.

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