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Mickel Therapy (particularly for ME/CFS/Fatigue)

AMarie

AMarie

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I see a few posts asking about Mickel Therapy from years back but no one who actually tried it. I'm now reading elsewhere about many people who have recovered (or gotten dramatically better, if not completely recovered) from Mickel Therapy, and it takes about 5 sessions, it seems. Sounds similar to TMS, in that it's about finding and addressing the root problems, which are emotional. I'm interested in trying it, but I can't find any practitioners in the U.S. (seems to have practitioners, patients with success, and press in the U.K. and Australia).
Anyone ever tried it? Or know anyone in the Eastern time zone who does it? I think I found one Canadian practitioner online but don't know anything about her!

And does anyone know any more specific details about it? How long are sessions? What are you doing in the sessions? How much does it generally cost?
I know my fatigue is TMS, and I have a good therapist right now working through general issues of shame, people-pleasing, perfectionism, fear of judgment and failure, etc -- which are the things leading to my problems. But in the past with my back pain, just recognizing that this was the cause of the pain made the pain go away. Not so with my fatigue, and I need more help.

Thanks to all!
Alison
 
AMarie said:
I see a few posts asking about Mickel Therapy from years back but no one who actually tried it. I'm now reading elsewhere about many people who have recovered (or gotten dramatically better, if not completely recovered) from Mickel Therapy, and it takes about 5 sessions, it seems. Sounds similar to TMS, in that it's about finding and addressing the root problems, which are emotional. I'm interested in trying it, but I can't find any practitioners in the U.S. (seems to have practitioners, patients with success, and press in the U.K. and Australia).
Anyone ever tried it? Or know anyone in the Eastern time zone who does it? I think I found one Canadian practitioner online but don't know anything about her!

And does anyone know any more specific details about it? How long are sessions? What are you doing in the sessions? How much does it generally cost?
I know my fatigue is TMS, and I have a good therapist right now working through general issues of shame, people-pleasing, perfectionism, fear of judgment and failure, etc -- which are the things leading to my problems. But in the past with my back pain, just recognizing that this was the cause of the pain made the pain go away. Not so with my fatigue, and I need more help.

Thanks to all!
Alison
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As I understand. David stopped the therapy some years ago. But I'm not sure. I'm sorry to say I found it no use at all. I used it over 10 years ago. I'm not sure it "caught on" in America. And now there are many other the same. Reverse therapy was before David. And he was part of it. But they kinda fell out. The books may still be available.
 
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As I understand. David stopped the therapy some years ago. But I'm not sure. I'm sorry to say I found it no use at all. I used it over 10 years ago. I'm not sure it "caught on" in America. And now there are many other the same. Reverse therapy was before David. And he was part of it. But they kinda fell out. The books may still be available.
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Cool, thanks for your reply. The original book I was able to download for free as a PDF so I'll check it out, but I'm seeing a good therapist right now and need to stick to a routine involving the Curable app or the 30-day program here and go from there, rather than head in a whole new direction! I just happened to see someone in New Zealand on a CFS forum say she's almost fully recovered from her fatigue with Mickel Therapy, so I wanted to figure out what really happens in those sessions. Thanks again.
 
I spent about ten years doing this therapy, I also did reverse therapy as well, if there's anything you want to know just ask
 
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Dr Mickel is practicing again after having a break for some years and he is training as well. I have trained with him and offer 20-30 min free consultations in order to give an overview what Mickel Therapy is and if it's for you/resonates with you. I have recovered myself after 16 years with CFS and studied a lot the programs and approaches out there, for me Mickel Therapy resonated the most thus I decided to train in it to help others. Healing is possible :) You can book the free consultations on my website www.mareflowtherapy.com
 
I feel sorry for anyone doing it, it totally destroyed my health, I only had mild cfs before i did mickel therapy, by the end of it, i could barely move, it was awful, it's a very slow process to, I spent years doing it, I was passed from therapist to therapist, they're not straight forward at all, the stress nearly finished me off.
 
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry to hear it did not work for you, I am not sure who you did your therapy with. Dr Mickel had given up the practice for some years and people he trained were carrying on training people in his name, but they started to twist the approach a bit from what I heard. He recently updated the training, putting together the experience of the last 22 years carefully considering which steps people did take who did recover and adapting the approach. Hundreds of people have recovered using this Therapy. Mickel Therapy requires usually very concrete actions and changes in your life, if they are not taken by the client then no change can happen. Only getting familiar with the concept will not lead to change. You mentioned you did this therapy for 10 years, if it made you worse, I wonder about your reasons for carrying on with it for 10 years? By not giving details what exactly did not work for you I feel you take the opportunity away for others to try and benefit from this therapy. However, I hope you find something that works for you, as gladly there are more channels with recovery stories these day so I am sure if you keep looking and trying, you will find a path that works for you. Can recomment Raelan Agle's channel if you are not familiar with it yet.
 
MareFlow said:
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry to hear it did not work for you, I am not sure who you did your therapy with. Dr Mickel had given up the practice for some years and people he trained were carrying on training people in his name, but they started to twist the approach a bit from what I heard. He recently updated the training, putting together the experience of the last 22 years carefully considering which steps people did take who did recover and adapting the approach. Hundreds of people have recovered using this Therapy. Mickel Therapy requires usually very concrete actions and changes in your life, if they are not taken by the client then no change can happen. Only getting familiar with the concept will not lead to change. You mentioned you did this therapy for 10 years, if it made you worse, I wonder about your reasons for carrying on with it for 10 years? By not giving details what exactly did not work for you I feel you take the opportunity away for others to try and benefit from this therapy. However, I hope you find something that works for you, as gladly there are more channels with recovery stories these day so I am sure if you keep looking and trying, you will find a path that works for you. Can recomment Raelan Agle's channel if you are not familiar with it yet.
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I did it for about ten years because I was confused and there was nowhere else to go, plus desperation to get better, plus i'd get passed from one therapist to the next and have to keep starting again.

WHat would happen is i'd make changes, change where i live, start a new course etc and then collapse with stress and then the therapist would pull away from me and tell me to try another therapist or push me onto something else, like you've done and the whole process would start again, other than make changes which cause stress and make my symptoms worse, the main thing I got out of it was do something when you're bored, go to the shop , go to the gym etc, it would change my mood sometimes, but it wouldn't cure my cfs
 
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although Forest is very unlikely to respond.

In any case, I've never seen a positive response from our active members towards marketing from complete newcomers who have never contributed anything to this community. I'm not going to ban this as spam since the OP is trying to believe that this practice is possibly mindbody-related.
 
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