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Hypnosis for TMS

Phil W

Phil W

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Hi there,

I used the TMS approach to recover from CFS, IBS and PoTs before I knew about Sarno, this terminology or the links between chronic pain and chronic fatigue.

As part of this, I used hypnosis to recover.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has used hypnosis as part of their recovery.

I have started to create free hypnosis sessions and videos now to help others out of CFS, gut conditions and pain, please do take a look at my most recent hypnosis.


Hope it helps!

(I'll publish more if I see there's an appetite for it!)
 
Hi Phil,

I'm currently using Nicole Sach's 'JournalSpeak' method, having just bought her book (I'm not sure if you will already know, but she was a patient of John Sarno and journaled herself to being pain free). She recommends participating in some form of relaxation exercise/session of one's choice for around 10 minutes a day after a daily journaling session of at least 20 minutes a day. I'm going to try out using your hypnosis video for this purpose. I find the hypnosis and binaural beats etc., videos on the Minds In Unison YouTube channel really calming and relaxing, the best I've tried, but sadly none of them are specifically geared for TMS work, so, although I can't speak for others on this forum, personally I would welcome videos of a similar quality that are specifically for TMS.
 
I’ve been in hypnotherapy for two years to treat my complex trauma or inner child. It’s been a long healing journey but I’m making progress every day!
I’ll listen to your video and see how it makes me feel.
Thanks
 
Hello I’ve been dealing with TMS for years on and off. Felt like something popped in my knee playing tennis. It stopped me from playing because of pain and stiffness. It’s now swelled up pretty substantially. Normally I’m no problem believing emotional structural. The pain was really where the IT band attaches, not in the knee joint. Anyways, struggling but I think it’s TMS. It’s the swelling, throwing me off .
Thoughts?
Jim
 
Heavenly said:
I’ve been in hypnotherapy for two years to treat my complex trauma or inner child. It’s been a long healing journey but I’m making progress every day!
I’ll listen to your video and see how it makes me feel.
Thanks
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WELL DONE. keep at it. it's a journey :-)
 
zachary1 said:
Hello I’ve been dealing with TMS for years on and off. Felt like something popped in my knee playing tennis. It stopped me from playing because of pain and stiffness. It’s now swelled up pretty substantially. Normally I’m no problem believing emotional structural. The pain was really where the IT band attaches, not in the knee joint. Anyways, struggling but I think it’s TMS. It’s the swelling, throwing me off .
Thoughts?
Jim
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If it were ne I'd
rule out the physical. this could absolutely be TMS or a true knee injury. That could need something as simple as rest or PT . Just because you see a doctor and get an x-ray and get an MRI doesn't mean you have to follow his advice.
 
I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t wanna get an MRI because I’m almost 60 I guarantee you would find something on it to hang hat on. Im gonna ride it out for another week. Swelling gone down today.

Thanks for your response you gave me more confident that I’m right. I love this forum.

Jim
 
zachary1 said:
I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t wanna get an MRI because I’m almost 60 I guarantee you would find something on it to hang hat on. Im gonna ride it out for another week. Swelling gone down today.

Thanks for your response you gave me more confident that I’m right. I love this forum.

Jim
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hi Jim, lmk how it goes. :-)
you got this
Peace,
Matthew
 
Hi all, I got a lot of great feedback from the video I posted almost a year ago. Afterwards, I began to help people with TMS using targeted hypnotherapy. It's been successful for conditions like chronic arthritis pain, IBS, fatigue, and back pain - and more clients are coming in for conditions such as neuropathy.

What I see in the TMS community is a lot of people asking why they haven't recovered, even though they understand the theory (i.e. why are they not "book cures"?!).

From what I've seen, this tends to be because repressed feelings and memories can be really hard to surface using commonly recommended methods such as journaling and talk therapy.

In my personal experience, hypnotherapy can release in one session what years of therapy wouldn't have managed.

If you're stuck in the situation described above, my website is www.philipwestern.com.

But to be fair, my main message is just to try hypnotherapy because it's damn effective (whether that be with me or anyone else).

One important note is the general pre-recorded hypnosis is not anywhere near as effective, in my experience, as personalised 1-1 hypnosis - either in person or online (I don't think that matters).

Good luck and I wish you all the best of luck with your recovery journeys!
 
Does hypnosis also work when you're quite numb in your body / unable to feel sensations? I'm looking for methods which help me be able to feel my feelings. Plus more access to my memories would be great too, but I've read in Dr. Sarnos book that one doesn't always have to know which exact event cause this certain repressed emotion. Otherwise I'd be lost cause of my bad memory.
 
Lalaland123 said:
Does hypnosis also work when you're quite numb in your body / unable to feel sensations? I'm looking for methods which help me be able to feel my feelings. Plus more access to my memories would be great too, but I've read in Dr. Sarnos book that one doesn't always have to know which exact event cause this certain repressed emotion. Otherwise I'd be lost cause of my bad memory.
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Hi, yes it's effective for numbness, providing that you've had a full workup from your doctor. And no, you don't have to work out the exact event - some people "feel their way out" of TMS (there may not even be an "exact event"). Our unconscious minds are also highly metaphorical, so metaphors may arise which can be used to process the feelings.
 
Phil W said:
Hi all, I got a lot of great feedback from the video I posted almost a year ago. Afterwards, I began to help people with TMS using targeted hypnotherapy. It's been successful for conditions like chronic arthritis pain, IBS, fatigue, and back pain - and more clients are coming in for conditions such as neuropathy.

What I see in the TMS community is a lot of people asking why they haven't recovered, even though they understand the theory (i.e. why are they not "book cures"?!).

From what I've seen, this tends to be because repressed feelings and memories can be really hard to surface using commonly recommended methods such as journaling and talk therapy.

In my personal experience, hypnotherapy can release in one session what years of therapy wouldn't have managed.

If you're stuck in the situation described above, my website is www.philipwestern.com.

But to be fair, my main message is just to try hypnotherapy because it's damn effective (whether that be with me or anyone else).

One important note is the general pre-recorded hypnosis is not anywhere near as effective, in my experience, as personalised 1-1 hypnosis - either in person or online (I don't think that matters).

Good luck and I wish you all the best of luck with your recovery journeys!
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Please help me understand what you mean by "In my personal experience, hypnotherapy can release in one session what years of therapy wouldn't have managed."
and then once it is released is your client "cured"?
 
MatthewNJ said:
Please help me understand what you mean by "In my personal experience, hypnotherapy can release in one session what years of therapy wouldn't have managed."
and then once it is released is your client "cured"?
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Hi Matthew, I saw from the posts above that you are a clinical hypnotherapist. Have you not seen hypnotherapy to be effective for reducing and in some cases eliminating chronic pain?

It is a very well-evidenced use case for hypnotherapy, so I don't think any claims I make to be able to help with TMS are outside the scope of what's considered "normal". I actually used hypnotherapy to recover from CFS/pain/IBS myself, which is why I started this business.

I've also seen clients who haven't even mentioned their pain to me (because they came for something completely different) report an almost total reduction of their pain after 1 session.

What I mean re. "managing in one session" is that I've seen people release a massive amount of repressed emotional baggage in less than an hour - especially using conversational hypnosis. The Jacquins' approaches are also very effective. I personally did years of standard therapy before trying hypno - as have many of my clients - and it didn't help.

I'd be interested to hear more about your experiences with TMS if you ever want to chat. Always happy to learn from the experiences of others!
 
Phil W said:
Hi Matthew, I saw from the posts above that you are a clinical hypnotherapist. Have you not seen hypnotherapy to be effective for reducing and in some cases eliminating chronic pain?

It is a very well-evidenced use case for hypnotherapy, so I don't think any claims I make to be able to help with TMS are outside the scope of what's considered "normal". I actually used hypnotherapy to recover from CFS/pain/IBS myself, which is why I started this business.

I've also seen clients who haven't even mentioned their pain to me (because they came for something completely different) report an almost total reduction of their pain after 1 session.

What I mean re. "managing in one session" is that I've seen people release a massive amount of repressed emotional baggage in less than an hour - especially using conversational hypnosis. The Jacquins' approaches are also very effective. I personally did years of standard therapy before trying hypno - as have many of my clients - and it didn't help.

I'd be interested to hear more about your experiences with TMS if you ever want to chat. Always happy to learn from the experiences of others!
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Hi Phil,

yes I am an ACHT (I am not a licensed counselor).

My core belief is to use what works for you. I use a multifaceted approach for myself and my clients. I guide folks to try lots of processes and create their own unique toolbox. That includes the 5 pillars of health: get enough adequate sleep, get exercise every day, eat well (NOT a western diet as that is killing us- but there are many types of healthy diets), have a social life and a spiritual practice.


I have seen Hypnotherapy get to the true cause very quickly on a regular basis with regression techniques. Yes, it can be effective for reducing and in some cases eliminating chronic pain. BUT, it is not magically curative. The Heart Centered approach accesses the inner child. I am not sure how you approach and use hypnosis. It is very rare to heal in one session and maintain that healing based on trauma that occurred decades ago based on a bad experience. When that experience occurs in childhood, the inner child creates beliefs about themselves (I am not loved, cared about, worthy- are the most common) and then the inner child creates a behavior to support that belief (I will be perfect and good, I will care for everyone else, I will not speak up for myself, are the most common I see). Then that is stored in the unconscious and practiced for decades. In my case, 4 decades before I met Dr. Sarno and he got me on the path to healing (2003). Then I had 4 decades of habits/behaviors and beliefs to undo. That takes time. I am about 95% better

While I have seen reduction of symptoms after a session, it is typically not long lasting. The clients that stick with the healing process tend to get consistent relief over time as they change their habits and beliefs.

How many of your clients that had almost total reduction of their pain after 1 session are still without pain OR symptom imperative symptoms? Most of my clients (95%) don’t commit to the practices that will heal them. The 5% who do, continue to get better.

I do not know what “standard therapy” is for you. My experience is it is more about the relationship I have with my client than the specific process I am using at the time. I use Reiki, Hypno, compassion, Conversation, NLP, NVC and IFS to name a few. I also give my clients homework. Each person is different.

I hope that helps explain my approach.

You may wish to read my profile.
Here is the video Cactus flower was referring to

Peace,

M
 
Hi Matthew,

That sounds like an interesting approach. I particularly like IFS therapy and think it works very well with hypnotherapy.

I was working along similar lines with people with chronic fatigue as a coach before I started focusing mostly on hypnotherapy. I also found that people didn't stick to the protocols/implement info from courses.

I have recently, however, challenged my own assumption that recovery has to be long and arduous. I'm increasingly of the opinion that it's not about resolving all people's trauma - the conversational approach I use seems to be able to remove the unconscious knots supporting networks of beliefs and emotions which maintain these "stuck loops". For some, just eliminating the anticipatory fear of symptoms is enough to break the cycle, for others, maybe a specific trauma is connected.

There is another compelling theory that when people experience intense stress at the same time as an infection, the threats become unconsciously intertwined, after which, the stress fuels more symptoms as it feels like an existential threat.

As you say though, there is no 100% effective solution or explanation and different people need different inputs to balance their nervous systems and untie those mental knots.

Anyway, this is a complex area and an ongoing exploration! Happy to have this chat and wishing you all the best.
 
Hi Phil,
I do not believe a recovery has to be long and arduous. This is my experience with myself (21 years on this path), my clients (12 years of coaching others) and 9 years administering this group: Most people who say they have had book cures, really didn't. There were always other factors. There are a few folks with specific personality traits that tend to have less TMS and heal quicker. But the majority (again, my experience, and maybe it's the folks I attract) are long time healers because it is a learning process and people learn at different rates. Unlearning something is harder than learning something new. Because the old learning does not go away, it just gets used less. When my container is small (IE: stress is up, I am more dysregulated) The old habits tend to take over. This is normal in most humans. Dr. Sarno's off the cuff comment about how so many of his patients seem to get better after reading his book has created a false belief that reading a book will cure you. That has since been disproven over the years, but it has held on in the minds of his readers and held people back significantly because it feeds the "not good enough" part of us that most people have. I do not promote quick fixes as it gives people a false sense of hope.

How long have you been working on your TMS? How long have you coached folks? Is your story posted anywhere?

Peace,

Matthew
 
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