Saw Dr Sarno at NYU on two different occasions about 15 years ago. He showed me how to treat my pain symptoms of my lower back( I have 2 herniated discs) which havnt bothered me since. But the symptom imperative is still at work, from neck to elbow to shoulder to chest to knees. I realize my resovoir is full, its not just one thing its the collection of all of them. For now I talk to my TMS instead of succumbing to it.