Why does energy healing always make me feel worse

[Booble]

I was doing okay until she started chatting shit and putting me down, she's got what She wanted though, the horrible cow

@JanAtheCPA is very good at giving "tough love." I know it might be hard to take-in sometimes but it's like the old TV shows when someone was going off the rails and the other person would give them a slap in the face to bring them back to their senses.

Jan as been around TMS and watched 100s of people have great success, and watched others who have failed. She really does know how to get on track with healing from TMS and related symptoms that contribute to or worsen CFS/ME.
It's normal for some people whose brains are realllllly trying to protect them from solving the issue to be resistant. Right now for you it's coming in the form that she's mean, she's harsh, she's a cow. It's her fault.
But really, it's the opposite. She's spending her personal time to try and slap you out of resistance. Once you stop resisting, you can reach inside for the answers and start living your life without thinking about feeling sick and feeling tired and feeling in pain all the time.

I do think your walls are made of the hardest of cement right now and that you may not be ready to take them down. In which case other approaches of managing symptoms in ways to get on with living your life might be the best thing for you right now. At some point the light might come on and you might have an "Aha" moment of that's what Sarno was getting at and this is what I need to do but it seems like right now your inner self has control of the wheel and it's not going to let you go there. And that's why you are doing everything but the simplest thing -- of "doing the work."

Wishing you well and some extra energy.

 

[Lee222]

I don't like her, tough love or no tough love, why are you acting as if I don't understand the therapy though?

The others had a higher standard of communication but they all went quiet when she came in and started to try and take over, she's a bully

 

[Booble]

why are you acting as if I don't understand the therapy though?

I'm not sure to what you are referring? I didn't mention therapy. I'm sure you probably have a greater understanding of therapy than I do as I'm suggesting the Sarno method of resolving symptoms, not therapy.

But since you don't seem particularly interested in that and you found Sarno to be ho-hum more of the same then there's really no point in beating a dead horse here. This forum seems to be adding to your aggravation rather than relieving it.

Different strokes for different folks. Best of luck. I hope you find resolution to your CFS/ME someday.

 

[Lee222]

I'm not sure what the big deal of using the word therapy instead of method, I've done sarno In the past and they used the word therapy

 

[Lee222]

I'm not sure to what you are referring? I didn't mention therapy. I'm sure you probably have a greater understanding of therapy than I do as I'm suggesting the Sarno method of resolving symptoms, not therapy.

But since you don't seem particularly interested in that and you found Sarno to be ho-hum more of the same then there's really no point in beating a dead horse here. This forum seems to be adding to your aggravation rather than relieving it.

Different strokes for different folks. Best of luck. I hope you find resolution to your CFS/ME someday.

If I wanted to do sarno/tms in the uk how would i do it?

I did look and some were therapists, some were physios, it really confused me, i'm willing to pay money to do it, i don't understand the hostility in all honesty, is the sarno method physiotherapy?

 

[TG957]

If I wanted to do sarno/tms in the uk how would i do it?

I did look and some were therapists, some were physios, it really confused me, i'm willing to pay money to do it, i don't understand the hostility in all honesty, is the sarno method physiotherapy?

No. Sarno method is not physiotherapy. This is for you about differences between what you may be calling "word therapy" and TMS therapy:
https://defeatcrps.com/blogs/tamaras-blog/#cbt_therapy (Tamara’s Blog)

 

[BloodMoon]

If I wanted to do sarno/tms in the uk how would i do it?

This organisation in the UK has TMS coaches https://www.sirpa.org/find-a-professional/ (Find a professional)

is the sarno method physiotherapy?

No, as @TG957 says, it's not physiotherapy. Recommend that you also read or preferably listen to one of Dr Sarno's books, which explain his work, e.g. Healing Back Pain. (Although the book has that title, Dr Sarno's work applies to any TMS symptoms; when back pain is mentioned just substitute with whatever symptom or symptoms you are experiencing.) I say 'preferably listen' to HBP because Dr Sarno himself is actually reading it and, personally, I found it hit home far better for me than when I just read the book.

 

[Ybird]

I think there may be some differences between mindbody therapies for pain (Sarno/TMS), and those that are more for CFS and fatigue.

IMO, CFS (which I had full blown for 14 years and am still dealing with though to a lesser extent), is a more profound deficit/problem/whatever than just back pain or something. Medically speaking, it's 'in' your immune, endocrine and nervous systems, it's considered a lifelong disability, etc.
Have you tried going to someone specialized in CFS?

 

[BloodMoon]

IMO, CFS (which I had full blown for 14 years and am still dealing with though to a lesser extent), is a more profound deficit/problem/whatever than just back pain or something. Medically speaking, it's 'in' your immune, endocrine and nervous systems, it's considered a lifelong disability, etc.

I was diagnosed with 'fibromyalgia' (wide spread muscle pain) and CFS back in the late 90s. Both were extremely profound, but I would say that the CFS was the more disabling of the two. I couldn't work and was completely bedridden for a lot of the time and housebound the rest of the time, for over a couple of decades. I am still on my TMS 'journey' with tackling the remaining muscle pain that occurs in various parts of my body, however, in recent years, since doing TMS work, the CFS has (quite unexpectedly) virtually gone. (I say 'virtually' because I do still experience some fatigue but I don't know whether that's *undue* fatigue for my age or not; I'm now in my late 60s and I was around 40 years old when I became ill, so I have no idea what the normal aging process feels like and what energy levels I should or could have at my age.) Maybe I'm a 'special' case (for want of a better way of putting it) but, given my personal experience, I have to say that I think that it has to be worth trying mind/body work for CFS (even if one perhaps chooses to do so after all other options have failed or have not helped enough).

 

[TG957]

I was diagnosed with 'fibromyalgia' (wide spread muscle pain) and CFS back in the late 90s. Both were extremely profound, but I would say that the CFS was the more disabling of the two. I couldn't work and was completely bedridden for a lot of the time and housebound the rest of the time, for over a couple of decades. I am still on my TMS 'journey' with tackling the remaining muscle pain that occurs in various parts of my body, however, in recent years, since doing TMS work, the CFS has (quite unexpectedly) virtually gone. (I say 'virtually' because I do still experience some fatigue but I don't know whether that's *undue* fatigue for my age or not; I'm now in my late 60s and I was around 40 years old when I became ill, so I have no idea what the normal aging process feels like and what energy levels I should or could have at my age.) Maybe I'm a 'special' case (for want of a better way of putting it) but, given my personal experience, I have to say that I think that it has to be worth trying mind/body work for CFS (even if one perhaps chooses to do so after all other options have failed or have not helped enough).

I struggled with fatigue for decades, although I did not know it was a medical condition, I just thought I was lazy :=). One of the first benefits of my TMS healing was a substantial rise in energy levels. Meditation seems to bring my energy level up to normal almost instantly.

 

[Diana-M]

In the Divided Mind, Dr. Sarno’s last book, he talks a lot about how all sorts of other various symptoms are TMS. CFS and even anxiety and depression are TMS. Anything that distracts you from your emotions and consumes all your attention. Your TMS brain has access to everything in your body. It can impact virtually anything. And especially, if it can scare you into focusing on the medical (physical).

 

[Lee222]

I think there may be some differences between mindbody therapies for pain (Sarno/TMS), and those that are more for CFS and fatigue.

IMO, CFS (which I had full blown for 14 years and am still dealing with though to a lesser extent), is a more profound deficit/problem/whatever than just back pain or something. Medically speaking, it's 'in' your immune, endocrine and nervous systems, it's considered a lifelong disability, etc.
Have you tried going to someone specialized in CFS?

Yeah, I did lightning process, Mickel therapy, reverse therapy, optimum health clinic, faster eft, they all seemed to make me worse mentally and physically

I follow the tms daily thing on wiki, I didn't find that helpful either, doing it with a therapist or a practitioner is my last hope really

 

[Diana-M]

doing it with a therapist or a practitioner is my last hope really

I think it’s better if you think of it as your next stage in your healing journey. You will get there, however long it takes. Just keep forging ahead. There’s so much to learn. You never know when it will all click.

 

[Ybird]

I did Mickel therapy; I ran into a similar type of problem, it worked for a few years but it wasn't realistic in the long run.

Have you tried homeopathy? It is mindbody, but obviously you just take a remedy, there is no behavioural aspect. I got a lot of relief from one remedy, Vernix Caseosa.

 

[Lee222]

I did Mickel therapy; I ran into a similar type of problem, it worked for a few years but it wasn't realistic in the long run.

Have you tried homeopathy? It is mindbody, but obviously you just take a remedy, there is no behavioural aspect. I got a lot of relief from one remedy, Vernix Caseosa.

No I haven't, I'll look into it, the problem I seem to have with all the Cfs therapies is they focus on not being bored and that seems to increase stress and I seem unable to tolerate any levels of stress

 

[Volcano1963]

I seem unable to tolerate any levels of stress

Hi @Lee222, i stumbled on some of your posts and have tried to get a better sense of what’s going on for you because of a dynamic going on with my beloved nephew.

I watched him be born in my sister’s living room. He came out in a huge gush of water, sliding into the midwife’s hands and then immediately into my arms. They all needed to attend to my sister who was in medical distress from the birthing process. The hit of joyful radiance from this little buddha bundle has never left me. When he was one year old i took him down to the banks of the creek expecting him to be wide-eyed with wonder but it stressed him out horribly and i scurried back to the comfort of his home. In retrospect i wonder if it was an early indicator of autism. Fast forward to his 9th birthday, just after he had surgery, we found out that his mom had stage 4 metatasized breast cancer. We lost her 10 weeks later. The grandmoms and i rallied to become surrogate moms but that is hardly ever enough. Fast forward to his 16th year and he lets me know he doesn’t appreciate when i talk about my sister because he hates her. This stuns me because i know how much she loved him and cared for him and sacrificed to be the best mom she could be. It agonized her that she might/would die and leave him. My buddha boy is now in his late 30’s, incredibly lonely in part because his IBS is so bad he can’t go more than 20 minutes away from a bathroom. Since finding this TMS wiki and doing the SEP (although I’m far from done) i see unself-recognized TMS in so many people. When i shared with him my experience of getting rid of paralyzing sciatica through the Dr Sarno approach he explained that he just wants to live stress free. He doesn’t want to go through the pain of remembering his childhood. He doesn’t think the stress is worth it. He has had several psychotic breaks (schizophrenia runs in our family) and is afraid of the potential outcome of delving into psychotherapy that would have him look back. He only wants to look forward. I have SO MUCH compassion for his stance. I believe people ultimately know what’s best for them. Coping with lonliness, mental safety ( some call it mental illness-i don’t), and whatever else our lives bring us is the great challenge we all face.

All of us who engage in responding to others here on this wiki do so because we care. One time my buddha boy told me i was toxic and broke off all communication. It was several months of deep sad ness for me mitigated by the hope that his declaration would empower him to feel better and maybe even work through some of his inner turmoil. After going through another psychotic event he changed his mind (his previous one had him charging into the street with a knife -he admitted himself before this next attack overwhelmed him) and we were able to talk through what he thought i felt about him. I could see why he felt that way and we talked through it with much apology from me.

I guess what I’m trying to say is trust yourself. Looking at trauma is traumatic but healing can happen. Healing is a natural process so don’t let yourself get in the way of it by being too resistant, too demanding, or too impatient. Best of luck, I’m cheering for you.