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Thinking of giving in

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by Ryan79, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Ryan79

    Ryan79 Peer Supporter

    So i've been to four different doctors who all say that I have tendonitis in both thumbs. The last one, orthopedic specialist is very open to whatever I want to try. He suggested six weeks of physical therapy or cortisone injections. He also stated that I wasn't a candidate for surgery at this point.

    For the past year I kept thinking this problem will just go away again. Maybe everything isn't TMS. I'll give PT a go and consider cortisone injections.
  2. Forest

    Forest Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Ryan,

    If you are at that stage, I would definitely go see a TMS physician. Even if you have to fly to a city that has a TMS doctor, there is something helpful about meeting with a physician who understands both approaches. And if you do decide to take the structural approach, you're always welcome to return to TMS afterward. In one of the MP3s that comes with his book, Monte Hueftle said that some people just need to take the structural approach, if only to get it out of their system. I think he's right about it. Whatever approach you take, you need to fully commit to it (except some surgeries, which I just can't get behind). Half measures tend not to work.

    And keep us updated, whatever you decide. (not that the conversation in this thread is anywhere near done, with the thread only being 22 minutes old! :) )
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  3. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Ryan, I've just read through your previous post and like many of us, you seem like the perfect person to develop TMS.

    I agree with Forest, you are very young to go the surgery route and I would definitely consult with a TMS professional. There's definitely something soathing about being reassured face to face.

    TMS tends to thrive in uncertainty and fear, the more you have doubt and worry the longer it will linger. Trust me, I'm in the same situation.

    I've read your post and can relate to many things, we all worry about loneliness, money, the future etc, but most of these are just preconceived thoughts that distract us from being happy. Not only this, chances are, if we focuss on the negative too long, these things we worry about become reality. I'm not saying don't worry, but just to be more compassionate, loving and caring of yourself. Focuss on all of the good things you've achieved and all that you are blessed with. As your thoughts shift you will feel better and will see there is light and a positive outcome is possible.

    Take it steady my friend and be more gentle on yourself.
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  4. Walt Oleksy

    Walt Oleksy Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi, Ryan. I agree with Forest and Mike that if you can meet with a TMS physician, it would be really helpful to you.
    But if that is not possible, try to believe 100 percent that your symptoms are from TMS, repressed emotions that may go back to childhood, and/or a perfectionist and "goodist" personality.

    If you haven't yet taken the Structured Educational Program, free on this web site, I urge you to begin it. It helps us to discover the emotional causes of our pain.

    Here is a post from another in this TMS community who tells how belief in TMS healded her.

    Don't give in or give up. We're all here to help you.

    nowtimecoach Well known member

    Oh its been so long since I've visited all of you wonderful people - the healed and the healing folks. My life is forever changed as a result of this forum, the books that were suggested, read and discussed and the opportunities to receive support from so many people on the TMS recovery path.

    Am I 100% recovered? Not quite but when I have a flare up, its usually been a situation or circumstance that is extremely stressful. Usually a feeling of being trapped and out of control. It depends upon my acceptance of what is and a surrender to self-care that predicates how long the flare up will last. I've had a few instances in the last 2 months as my partner and I decided to sell her house and move to Tucson.

    So many changes, deadlines, pressure and lots of "I don't know!" brought up a few bouts. But they rarely last more than a day or two. And because I practiced what everyone suggests on this forum, I always knew what to do and I didn't ruminate or worry that it was going to last long.

    I am so eternally grateful to all of you. I am grateful to everyone who has written a book that gives us the solution, the hope and hammers in the fact that we have control over TMS. To all of you in pain today, I promise that you will get better if you keep accepting the psychological component to all of this. I remind myself if I have a flare up that I'm vulnerable to old habits. That vulnerability leaves me open for my brain to pop up its old directive to send pain to my back. Its just an old outdated mechanism of protection that still does not serve me very well.

    I hope you read this as a message of hope. Never stop believing that you are going get better! Stay close to the wonderful people on this forum. Read the books. Do the work and you'll be rewarded with a pain free life. For me, I got the bigger bonus of a greater self-awareness, of patterns that I was blind to and a sense of empowerment. All this because of TMS. So it ended up being a gift. Of course, I would NOT be able to say this so cavalierly if I was still in pain 24/7!!![​IMG][​IMG]
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  5. IrishSceptic

    IrishSceptic Podcast Visionary

    this is something I think a lot about. How does a Doctor distinguish between a genuine issue and a TMS produced one?

    there surely has to be a hallmark of TMS symptoms that is consistent and measurable aside from O2 deprivation although I'm unsure if that has been proven beyond doubt.
    My advice is go ahead and try the PT and injections. you can at least rule those out if they happen to be ineffective.
  6. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    I do my research by going to the indexes of the Good Doctor's books, or to the very good Appendix of TMS symptoms in the back of Steve Ozanich's great TMS tome, "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION". If it isn't life threatening I'll wait it out for a few hours, days or weeks.

    The last two days I had pains that I thought may be a kidney stone. I gave thought to going to the ER but then considered what emotional issues were going on that may be ratcheting up the volume on the pain.

    Feeling pretty good today, and saved the inconvenience of a midnight run to the ER, and the $2,500-$5,000 an ER visit costs these days just to be told nothing is wrong and it was just the stress caused by fear of something serious structurally or the inconvenience of dying.
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  7. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    A tough one. I think some TMS Practioners and specialist in the field have ultimately changed the scope of what's included in the definition, since Dr Sarno coined the phrase. It seems to go way beyond the realms of oxygen deprivation now. I know from SteveO last post, to view it all as TMS unless it's as a result of an accident, deficiency etc.
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  8. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

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  9. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    I agree with Irish...I would do the injections and see if they work...The Great Sarno said we should not be in pain...if we need to take something to take the edge off then do it, and then continue with tms healing approach.
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  10. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    You didnt mention anything about TMS therapist.. Did you meet any?
    Some times you need direction.
  11. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    TMs therapist is ok for 4-6 sessions after that its just a merry go around of repeating yourself….they can point you in the right directions regarding your anger and emossions after that its all you…You need to want to change your life and you need to be ready to heal.
  12. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    yes I heard this from another member too.. but the Thread starter hasn't mentioned anything about TMS therapist.
  13. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Exactly, in the 6 weeks you will get the correct diagnosis. However, be prepared for a whole host of other symptoms to appear after the 6 weeks, just to keep your mind in doubt and perpetuate the fear/pain cycle.
  14. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Sounds like the medical/mental bargain of the century! Four to six sessions of TMS coaching, to put you on the right path to TMS healing. Don Dubin, a well loved TMS therapist, now deceased, who appeared on Dr. Schechter's TMS tapes, told me the most sessions he ever had to do, was a dozen, to get the TMS message across. This versus, perhaps years of paying a conventional psychotherapist or psychiatrist thousands of dollars, as a paid buddy and be fed numbing mindbody altering drugs that can turn you into a zombie. I hope you sent him a thank-you card.
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2015
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  15. Walt Oleksy

    Walt Oleksy Beloved Grand Eagle

    I haven't gone to any TMS therapist, but years ago when I had a panic attack I went to a shrink and as far I am concerned I don't think he helped me a bit and I spent a lot of money for no help. I learned on my own that I had the attack because I worked too hard at two jobs, then left both and was climbing the walls and couldn't sleep. I found another job, relaxed at it, and felt better again. I think we all know what the emotions are that cause us pain. We worry needlessly about things that never happen. We need to believe 100 percent that TMS emotions cause our pain or anxiety.

    That shrink gave me Librium to calm my anxieties and it worked, but since learning about TMS I haven't taken any drug... I get calm through deep breathing and reminding myself that it's only TMS and I am not going nuts. Also hot milk is a great relaxer, or decaffe tea with some honey and cider vinegar. And I also laugh my worries away.
  16. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member


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  17. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    Thank you Walt .....the Therpist to me is helpful but another crutch in your healing
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  18. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    I would except that then laugh when it happens .
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  19. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    I never said I was, I'm just a tennis player--what do I know?

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  20. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    Its all good we all have our roads and opinions to healing….some take the low and some take the high. I just use my own experiences with these so called therapist and Dr.. MD and otherwise..

    We know our bodies and minds, yes sometimes we need guidance and direction.
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