Pelvic pain, scared of the pain!

[CarboNeVo]

Same thing Ezer. If you have no pain while you exercise, it means you are physically fine. Monitor your thoughts and see how they affect your body. That is the real source of your delayed pain.

Cannot agree more. TMS/PN/Chronic pain are a form of an obsession, reframe its meaning; basically your brain wants you to keep your focus and THOUGHTS attached to the pain realm.
Cut that behavior(stop thinking about it, analyzing, waiting for it to come or by any mean monitoring it) and you will stop the pain as it wont serve its original purpose anymore. It will fade away. Thats how i beat PN.
But be careful, it can manifest elsewhere and the obsession will continue lol. This happened to me actually

 

[Chizzy]

Of course, you can! That's the beauty of Dr. Sarno's discovery. It covers all situation, because the subconscious mind can reduce blood flow at any time: before, during, and after exercise. Here's a paragraph from the FAQ section of my book that may help in such situations:

"Q: So how do I know whether my back pain is due to an injury or is from tension?

A: If any of the following conditions exist, you probably have TMS:

1. The pain persists or recurs or both, despite rest and various treatments.

2. The pain has no clear cause or can be attributed only to a physical incident that happened a while back, such as lifting an object two weeks earlier.

3. The pain is attributed to a routine activity, such as driving, sitting too long, mowing the lawn, or playing golf.

4. The pain pattern matches TMS: You hurt or have more pain at night, first thing in the morning, or on weekends. The pain moves around from your back to your leg or your shoulder. You should also watch for pain that comes long after an activity or at the end of the workday.[1]

5. The pain is sharp, not the dull muscle ache you get from too much work or exercise.

6. Numbness is intermittent. It gets better or worse and moves around.

7. There is no change in color or swelling in the “injured” area. Our bodies are made to respond immediately to a serious injury. Can you see an actual swelling or change in color in the injured area? If not, the pain could very well be TMS.

Since my recovery I have been injured several times while sparring in my karate class or in other incidents, and I have found that two or three days of rest is about what I need to recover from the initial injury. After that I test my ability to walk or work and push back against the pain until I have recovered completely. I remember once, two weeks after I had recovered from being kicked in the arms repeatedly during sparring, I woke one night in pain. I could not determine why, but I knew it had to be due to either tension or conditioning. I quickly eliminated the pain and went back to sleep."

So if it is the same exercise routine as always and no significant increase in your workout, it is most likely TMS.

I actually did crunches for the 1st time in 2 years. Pain came on shortly after. That was this morning a few hours ago. It's just mild pain right now and kind of stings a little bit. I'm at the beach right now, and when I jump in the ocean the pain is instantly gone. Catching wave after wave getting slammed by five to six Footers and there's absolutely no pain in my body. I get back to my chair and start reading these posts and the pain comes back. Lol so odd....

 

[NicoleB34]

I actually suspect it's not my pelvic nerve that is freaking out, but rather it's my pelvic floor locking up in defence and squashing the hyper sensitive nerve. I have the tendency to create huge trigger point knots in my pelvic floor and I guess it doesn't necessarily matter because I also believe pelvic floor tightness and creation of knots is caused by my brain. I actually do have a little bit of burning during exercise but it's nothing compared to the delayed flare. I have pelvic floor dysfunction but I don't view that as a structural disease, I view it as just another TMS disorder that causes a domino effect of pelvic pain conditions.

 

[ezer]

"you will never heal unless yo leave this bozo." I dont want that.

You don't need to break the relationship. If you do it you will soon find something else to worry or be upset about. You have to deal with your emotions instead, and process them in a healthy way.

 

[MicheleRenee]

Same thing Ezer. If you have no pain while you exercise, it means you are physically fine. Monitor your thoughts and see how they affect your body. That is the real source of your delayed pain.

any good tips on thoughts? mine get away from me alot. and often frighten me (as this really is the catalyst for the pain along w emotions). PN is not fun! i feel yah nicole!

 

[NicoleB34]

Oddly, if i have a high anxiety day, where my stomach and chest are locked up, i have way less pelvic pain. You'd think anxiety would increase pain, but i think my brain is shifting the pelvic tension to my chest/stomach.
Example, last year my dog was very sick at the emergency vet. I sat in the waiting room for hours, stewing, high anxiety in my gut. Suddenly i noticed i had no pelvic pain. I was sitting for hrs, forgot to take my pain meds too, and still, no pain. Before TMS knwlege i always wondered why this would happen

 

[ezer]

any good tips on thoughts? mine get away from me alot. and often frighten me (as this really is the catalyst for the pain along w emotions). PN is not fun! i feel yah nicole!

For me conscious breathwork does the trick. It goes by many names (reichian breathing, connected breathing, circular breathing etc.). In short you breathe in and out consciously without a pause.

 

[CarboNeVo]

For me conscious breathwork does the trick. It goes by many names (reichian breathing, connected breathing, circular breathing etc.). In short you breathe in and out consciously without a pause.

Hey ezer, how are you doing these days?
thanks to you and other few good souls I completely beat cpps/pn, the first step was to get out of that toxic world of their forums.
Lately it started manifesting in my buttocks and legs, nowhere as bad and as depressing as the PN pain, but sometimes can get really annoying. Did you notice the pain trying to manifest elsewhere during your recovery? The sneaky bastard even tried to invade my foot and hands(RSI) lol, but it was easy to not buy into the fear with those so the pain lasted few hours and disappeared, the sciatica-like pain is a bit harder to get rid off.

 

[FredAmir]

epeated exciting positive thoughts

any good tips on thoughts? mine get away from me alot. and often frighten me (as this really is the catalyst for the pain along w emotions). PN is not fun! i feel yah nicole!

Thoughts repeated become actions. Actions repeated become habits. Habits repeated become our character. Once they are our character that's who we are.

So positive thoughts repeated become positive actions and so on until our character is a positive one. We naturally and effortlessly will be positive, optimistic, happy, stress-hardy, worry-free, and walk around with a smile most of the time!

There will be little need to try to be positive. That's just how we will be.

The best way to eliminate years or decades of negative thought patterns is to have a plan for 3-4 weeks of consistent positive thoughts and actions leading to becoming a positive person. In my practice, I help my clients to first develop positive mental patterns by applying positive empowering strategies for the first 2-3 weeks. As a result of applying these strategies, the mind becomes so filled with positive thoughts that there is very little room for negative thoughts. For many people, this is enough to notice a major reduction in negative thoughts, anxiety, and pain as well as improvement in their mood, sleep, and level of energy. After that, if there are still issues with negative thought patterns, I show them steps on how to deal with negative thoughts effectively.

What is important here is that you need to take consistent action for 21-30 days to build a good foundation of positive thoughts and actions for lasting results.

 

[FredAmir]

And remember thoughts lead to feelings and feelings lead to physiological changes in your body.

Keep thinking about your favorite dessert, you feel good, and you have increase in saliva flow in your mouth.

Keep thinking about your problems, you feel bad or angry or frustrated, and you have reduction of blood flow to your muscles, nerves, and tendons.

 

[MicheleRenee]

yesss i definitely know that thoughts are my problem. which at this time are quite overwhelming. i get anxiety over everything now. which increases my pain. i get anxiety pangs when i just think of simple things. at this point i think i need some pharmacuticals to help calm me down.

 

[Click#7]

Of course, you can! That's the beauty of Dr. Sarno's discovery. It covers all situation, because the subconscious mind can reduce blood flow at any time: before, during, and after exercise. Here's a paragraph from the FAQ section of my book that may help in such situations:

"Q: So how do I know whether my back pain is due to an injury or is from tension?

A: If any of the following conditions exist, you probably have TMS:

1. The pain persists or recurs or both, despite rest and various treatments.

2. The pain has no clear cause or can be attributed only to a physical incident that happened a while back, such as lifting an object two weeks earlier.

3. The pain is attributed to a routine activity, such as driving, sitting too long, mowing the lawn, or playing golf.

4. The pain pattern matches TMS: You hurt or have more pain at night, first thing in the morning, or on weekends. The pain moves around from your back to your leg or your shoulder. You should also watch for pain that comes long after an activity or at the end of the workday.[1]

5. The pain is sharp, not the dull muscle ache you get from too much work or exercise.

6. Numbness is intermittent. It gets better or worse and moves around.

7. There is no change in color or swelling in the “injured” area. Our bodies are made to respond immediately to a serious injury. Can you see an actual swelling or change in color in the injured area? If not, the pain could very well be TMS.

Since my recovery I have been injured several times while sparring in my karate class or in other incidents, and I have found that two or three days of rest is about what I need to recover from the initial injury. After that I test my ability to walk or work and push back against the pain until I have recovered completely. I remember once, two weeks after I had recovered from being kicked in the arms repeatedly during sparring, I woke one night in pain. I could not determine why, but I knew it had to be due to either tension or conditioning. I quickly eliminated the pain and went back to sleep."

So if it is the same exercise routine as always and no significant increase in your workout, it is most likely TMS.

Fred,

This is where it gets confusing for me...when this all started 2 years ago. I would answer yes to majority and then like an idiot I had back surgery and it didn't get better. So that is where I am at. Saw a TMS specialist and was diagnosed, but can't surgery cause injury too ?

 

[Click#7]

yup I did read that book i guess the only difference between he and I while exercising, is that he often felt pain immediately during activity and fought thru it, whereas i feel it a day later, so often times i 'overdo" my activity because i feel mostly ok doing it the day of. I get tricked into thinking i'm ok while doing what i love, and then pay for it later.

Admittedly i have a bad feeling that much of my pain is due to the relationship i'm in. We love eachother so much, but we have an age difference and probably want different futures (and in some ways, since he is the younger one, he has commitment issues, feels he wants to be polyamorous, but doesnt want to lose me, so he struggles too on what to do). It sucks when you have an insane bond with somebody, but you feel as though the destruction of your relationship is looming. Neither of us want to break up, but i think we know there's a glaring problem with where we are in our lives. I dont want somebody to tell me "you will never heal unless yo leave this bozo." I dont want that. I want to know i can get better and still be with him. If we break up in time...well then, so be it. But my constant worry about our probable combustion at some point (i've never loved anyone more, it's crushing. when you're in pain, you grasp at anything that makes you happy, and NO i will not just go openly dating if i lose him, while still in this amount of pain.) also, trust issues as well, are what i believe brought on this TMS flare.

Too bad Steve O. couldn't jump into this discussion because are you riding that bike "like PT" as you are seeing a physical therapist, or are you riding because it is part of your normal physical routine ? Ask yourself why you cycle too...might be part of your issues. Just food for thought as I am just a new member.

 

[FredAmir]

yesss i definitely know that thoughts are my problem. which at this time are quite overwhelming. i get anxiety over everything now. which increases my pain. i get anxiety pangs when i just think of simple things. at this point i think i need some pharmacuticals to help calm me down.

Medications can help but they only masks the symptoms. Here's a thread with helpful information on anxiety.

ttp://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/weekes-lowe-ace-and-audio.14434/

I have had good results with relieving anxiety as well.

"Fast Track to Rapid Recovery [coaching program] is amazing. As a fitness instructor back, hip, and leg pain limited my activities. The pain and burning sensation were so bad that at one point I rushed to the emergency room for treatment. I also suffered for twenty years from anxiety disorder. You can imagine how hard it was to live with all that anxiety and pain. Fred helped me to get rid of my symptoms quickly. In fact, I noticed significant improvements the next day. Now I am pain-free, sleep better, have tons more energy and once again am teaching all my classes, including kickboxing. Thanks, Fred.” Rachel Bowen, Buford, Georgia

Hopefully you can conquer it with your own inner strength.

 

[FredAmir]

Fred,

This is where it gets confusing for me...when this all started 2 years ago. I would answer yes to majority and then like an idiot I had back surgery and it didn't get better. So that is where I am at. Saw a TMS specialist and was diagnosed, but can't surgery cause injury too ?

It depends on how the surgery was done. In most cases, body heals and there should be no residual pain. Sometimes you will have conditioned pain that can be overcome as a conditioned response.

What did the TMS doctor say?

 

[MicheleRenee]

Medications can help but they only masks the symptoms. Here's a thread with helpful information on anxiety.

ttp://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/weekes-lowe-ace-and-audio.14434/

I have had good results with relieving anxiety as well.

"Fast Track to Rapid Recovery [coaching program] is amazing. As a fitness instructor back, hip, and leg pain limited my activities. The pain and burning sensation were so bad that at one point I rushed to the emergency room for treatment. I also suffered for twenty years from anxiety disorder. You can imagine how hard it was to live with all that anxiety and pain. Fred helped me to get rid of my symptoms quickly. In fact, I noticed significant improvements the next day. Now I am pain-free, sleep better, have tons more energy and once again am teaching all my classes, including kickboxing. Thanks, Fred.” Rachel Bowen, Buford, Georgia

Hopefully you can conquer it with your own inner strength.

oh i know that but at this point i think i may need them to help me get over this hump as i am having a hard tim dealing with pain anxiety stress about rrally only beng able to heal myself. i see progress ie. i had no pain over tbe weekend while away and its just an anxiety response to the pain i know this. one day i may take another program but i think i need some help so that i dont do something stupid at this point.

 

[Click#7]

It depends on how the surgery was done. In most cases, body heals and there should be no residual pain. Sometimes you will have conditioned pain that can be overcome as a conditioned response.

What did the TMS doctor say?

I have TMS.

 

[FredAmir]

oh i know that but at this point i think i may need them to help me get over this hump as i am having a hard tim dealing with pain anxiety stress about rrally only beng able to heal myself. i see progress ie. i had no pain over tbe weekend while away and its just an anxiety response to the pain i know this. one day i may take another program but i think i need some help so that i dont do something stupid at this point.

There are definitely times when medications are needed. Take care of yourself.

 

[FredAmir]

I have TMS.

So he did not think your current pain is to some extent due to your surgery and it's all TMS?

 

[MicheleRenee]

There are definitely times when medications are needed. Take care of yourself.

thaank you yes i will get thru this jusy a lot of insecurities coming up w pain that ive never dealt w. i obviously see the connection but still need some time clearly