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New ‘Unlearn your pain’

Mani

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Does anyone know whats different about this new unlearn your pain by howard schubiner? I find it very confusing that he publishes a book with the same name and then doesnt mention how its any different lol. I like Dr Schubiner a lot and want to know if its worth a cop if ive already read the first unlearn your pain
 
Here's a post about an interview with him about his new book. I like that he keeps updating his book as he learns new science.

https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/how-we-unlearn-pain-with-dr-howard-schubiner.33611/
Shame that subtitles arent turned on

I like that he touched base here. He’s kind of my tms hero, even though i didnt really cure anything yet. I see that he did a podcast with raelan too so i guess ill wat that first


Lol the only commenter Pavel agrees
 
I'm hoping that @Duggit will give his opinion at some point because he likes Schubiner and he said he was going to get the book. It was available in the US from yesterday (but here in the UK it's not coming out 'til Saturday.)
Thats weird, it did come out in NL already. I have honestly already decided on buying it so ill tey and give you a rundown.

I dont really know why lol I guess i just like the lad
 
I did do the original book and found that anxiety and depression plus other psychological TMS symptoms were definately part of the book. I think ChatGPT has not read either book....
 
I think ChatGPT has not read either book....
No that's dead right, as it said, it hoovered up info from the publisher descriptions and Schubiner’s own site etc., and drew its conclusions/summary from that. So, as you've advised that the ChatGPT overview was definitely inaccurate regarding the old editions, I've removed my posting -- @Mani has now advised he's going to buy the new version of the book and will give us a rundown anyway.

(Despite liking a lot of whatSchubiner has to say in YouTube interviews, 'Unlearn Your Pain' is, for some reason, not one of the huge number of mind-body books I've read and used over the years... Maybe that's why I still have some lingering mind-body symptoms! :()

I would also be interested in hearing @Duggit's view of the new version of the book as compared to the previous editions, should he decide to post up about it.
 
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The only thing I did not like about the first edition was these weird conversations you were supposed to have out loud with yourself as some sort of self-talk therapy. I learned that unsent letters serve exactly the same purpose. I’m interested to see if he expands on the style of psychological investigation he now prefers but hasn’t been explained in a way I understand.
 
You can read the first couple of chapters on amazon.
I've just read them, so thanks for that :). It looks like chapters 16 to 20 are the nitty gritty 'how to' recover ones. Might download a copy to see those as I'd like to know if he's come up with something new at all... a new technique or even a new way of putting or framing things. (UK Amazon has just made it available when before it said it wasn't available over here till Saturday.)
 
I'm keen on reading this too, and I wonder if it could be a good entry point for people just finding out about mindbody work. A book that synthesizes the PRT tools and approach with the emotional side (aka EAET) could help with people's confusion around which "path" to take—not that there is a correct one, but it's easy to read the Alan Gordon book and like I did still have no idea about Sarno or the repressed emotions side of things. Reading the early chapters, I find his breakdown of what to do to recover very comprehensive and simple and true to my experience so far (Paraphrasing, but: 1. Determine that there is no structural cause 2. PRT i.e. reduce fear of the structural and of symptoms 3. EAET i.e. feel your feelings! 4. Change anything in your life that needs changing).
 
Dr Schubiner is seemingly 'doing the rounds' with promoting the new edition of his book (definitely not a criticism on my part, just an observation... because I like him and I want the whole world to know about mind-body/TMS)...

These five new/recent videos popped up in my YouTube feed. I haven't watched them all; am just part way through the first one, but thought I'd post them up for anyone interested in viewing them... Take your pick - it's a Dr Howard Schubiner fest! :D:)





 
In the video with Dan Buglio, listen from time frame 24:00 to 32:00. It's interesting.

In the first 24 minutes there is nothing important or new. After minute 32 they talk about medication, finding joy in life and compassion. I didn't listen to all of it but I will.
 
In the video with Dan Buglio, listen from time frame 24:00 to 32:00. It's interesting.

In the first 24 minutes there is nothing important or new. After minute 32 they talk about medication, finding joy in life and compassion. I didn't listen to all of it but I will.
I like what he says in that time frame about 'click moments' that essentially make it dawn on you (kind of to your very core) that your symptoms are mind-body. I also like the honesty of that he's basically recognising and saying that there isn't one magic bullet way/technique for everyone to recover... if you try something for a good while and it hasn't helped, then move on, because there are other things to try... and even that to stop 'trying' can be the way to go for some people. The former is something that Dr Brad Fanestil says too in his videos... he makes a suggestion of what to do or how to view things and then says if it doesn't gel, it doesn't matter, keep going because there are other ways and means.
 
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I'm a little surprised about Buglio and Schubiner together for an interview. Buglio is so anti-emotional aspect. I like them both, though.
 
I'm on pins and needles, y'all, waiting for everyone's impressions
You might have heard of this before, but if not (I hadn't) something mentioned in the book that I think might interest you is a study from the 1960s by Robert Ader. Ader fed rats a powerful immune-suppressing medication used for cancer treatment (cyclophosphamide) in a bowl with saccharine. Schubiner writes: "Predictably, their immune systems were suppressed from the effects of the medication. After the immune function recovered a few weeks later, Ader fed them a bowl with saccharine only, and surprisingly, their immune function plummeted once again. Their brains had paired the saccharine taste with the effects on the immune system and caused the immune system to be less active as a learned or conditioned response. Their brains predicted immune suppression when their tongue tasted saccharine, and it generated immune suppression. This was a groundbreaking study."
 
I'm a little surprised about Buglio and Schubiner together for an interview. Buglio is so anti-emotional aspect. I like them both, though.

Although he doesn't call phooey on his guests during interviews, that were not his clients and talk about the emotional work they had to do. He just politely points out his method differs.
 
something mentioned in the book that I think might interest you is a study from the 1960s by Robert Ader.
Never heard of this one before, and it is indeed fascinating! It always goes back to the brain being in control of EVERYTHING. I've always strongly believed that we can self-heal from anything - but it takes mindfulness to do so, to whatever degree is commensurate with the amount of physical distress being endured. The fact is that most of us don't have what it takes to self-heal from the most life-threatening circumstances. But it has happened. Those reports of people who have spontaneously recovered from cancer and HIV? I have no doubts about their veracity.

Ultimately, it begs the question as to the true underlying efficacy of medications. Sort of related is my belief that there is an obvious reason why so many medications come with a secondary list of possible, but usually temporary and low-concern side effects, that mimic the symptoms of anxiety.
 
I'm a little surprised about Buglio and Schubiner together for an interview. Buglio is so anti-emotional aspect.
I can see why you're surprised. Nonetheless, I gather that Buglio does seem to be an admirer of Schubiner: he also hosted an interview with Schubiner back in 2009 and then, a number of years later, re-shared that recording, calling it “great information” and “lots of gold gems here”.
 
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Never heard of this one before, and it is indeed fascinating! It always goes back to the brain being in control of EVERYTHING.
Absolutely.

This made me wonder whether a medication—specifically an immunosuppressant—could be paired with a unique flavour. The drug would be administered for a short time, tapering up as is often done with corticosteroids. Then, the patient would be gradually weaned off the medication by switching to tablets containing increasing amounts of just the unique flavour, until eventually only the flavour remains.

I did a quick Google and I see that this actually aligns with some more recent work/research showing that learned immunosuppression combined with reduced drug doses can maintain therapeutic effects (e.g., in rheumatoid arthritis models) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31509354/ (Learned Immunosuppressive Placebo Response Attenuates Disease Progression in a Rodent Model of Rheumatoid Arthritis - PubMed)
 
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