Looking for some encouragement due to recent persistent knee pain

Hi tmrf - It sounds like you landed in the right place. Welcome to the TMS Wiki forum!

We don't focus on symptoms here, because everyone's symptoms are just a little bit different - that's our tricky brains at work, managing to find symptoms that are NOT like someone else's symptom. So this will be the last time that you need to describe your symptoms in detail - you can just say "knee pain" from now on, and that's good enough.

You don't say anything about what you know about TMS other than seeing some posts here, so if you haven't read any of Dr. John Sarno's books, that's the first thing you need to do. Or, rather, the second thing - you already did the first thing. which was to receive a clean bill of health from your doc (and that's news to celebrate, right?)

Everyone has their own favorite - if you are analytical and would like some corroboration, I would recommend the first one I read, which is The Divided Mind. This is Dr. Sarno's fourth book, in which he provides a four-chapter overview of his theories, and lets five other MDs and a psychologist present their views on mind body syndromes (MBS), aka psycho-physiologic disorders (PPD) aka tension myositis syndrome (TMS). This book changed my life. The Mind-Body Prescription was his third book - it presents his own theories in more detail, and is his first book to list non-pain "TMS equivalents" as he calls them.

If you suffer from anxiety (which Dr. Sarno and many other practitioners believe is a TMS equivalent) you are not alone. Most of us have anxiety. Anxiety is most likely my middle name. There are lots of resources to address your anxiety and start to calm your nerves - many are discussed on this forum.

You can start working our Structured Educational Program (free, written and maintained by volunteers) at whatever pace appeals to you. You'll be introduced to videos, readings, success stories, and learn how to do writing exercises designed to uncover and face your fears and emotions.

And for success stories, you won't want to miss the Thank You Dr. Sarno web site, which was started to honor Dr. Sarno upon his retirement a few years ago. It's absolutely inspiring.

Good luck on your new journey, and please know that we are all in this together, and we're here to help each other.

Jan

 

Darn, I had a feeling I should have asked first (darn again - I've used the dreaded "should")

Okay then, welcome back! To your symptoms, that is - because I totally know what you are talking about. I've had one symptom which continues to follow me around, and right now I've got some new shoulder pain, which my sister has decided is "frozen shoulder". Because it's exactly like what she has, which a shoulder surgeon diagnosed for her. And guess what - in addition to the silly non-scientific name (a dead giveaway for "we don't really know what it is") THEY readily admit that they have no idea what it is, how it happens, why it mostly happens to women, and why it generally resolves itself in 6 months to a year. So at least she isn't pushing surgery on me.

I go back and forth with this - some days I want to do the exercises on her doc's web site. Other days I tell myself that's stupid, it's obviously TMS. I have a standing training session at the gym on Tuesdays, and the shoulder always feels pretty good afterwards, although it often hurts when I'm doing certain things (it's my glutes and quads that are usually killing me the next day, LOL). My trainer isn't too concerned, which I appreciate - she's seen it before, and she's seen it resolve. I'm using common sense, and if something hurts "the wrong way" I back off, try a lighter weight or whatever, but I still do every exercise to some extent, and I make sure to do it the same on both sides if I can.

And as I've admitted a few times recently, I am one of those people who think that I live and breathe TMS, so I "should" be able to get over this just by thinking about it a little harder. The truth is that there is only one way that actually works for me, and that's to sit down and write it out. I made a start the other night, and was rather appalled to realize how much negative self-talk has been spinning around in my head this summer.

I'll never forget my best friend in college (the one with frequent suicidal thoughts but he outgrew those) telling me that I was his rock, because nothing ever bothered me. Seriously, dude? Hahahahahahahahaha..........aaaaaaak! How little he knew - I suffered from a massive amount of anxiety, all locked away behind my pragmatic facade! I think I was born anxious. My parents didn't really know how to deal with it, so I just covered it up, and learned to cope. It's not that hard to do if you're a perfectionist.

Without knowing what those are, I have to ask whether there's any possibility that some of them could be resolved by changing your relationship to them, OR by changing your mind about them. We hear a lot about unresolved parental conflict, for example - people can't change their parents or what happened in the past, but they can change their perception in subtle ways that allow them to move on. Others are a lot harder, like dysfunctional relationships, problematic children, or dependent parents, situations you can't simply turn your back on. The only thing to do in some cases is to do the best you can to love yourself and give yourself credit for what you are doing. That's the antidote for negative self-talk.

No, I could be a poster child for TMS.

But seriously... you might ask around (here) for advice on ways to turn off the negative dialogue in your brain. I was just looking at one today, which I found by first reading this blog by Dr. Hanscom (back surgeon, except when he's not and that's the cool thing about him) then perusing Stage 1 of his mind-body program where I found a reference to the 3-Column Technique of Dr. David Burns - but first I had to read a bit about Dr. Burns' book Feeling Good. Then I googled the 3-Column Technique and founds various references to it - enough to create my own spreadsheet which incorporates the concept. I've already started making entries, and it's an interesting exercise in recognizing how negative I am towards myself!

It's amazing how much information there is, and how many resources there are - it's actually quite overwhelming, which is not good for us perfectionists, because we can end up frozen with indecision - what if I don't pick the "right" thing that is going to work for me? Once again - a little dose of self-love and changing our perception, can go a long way.

I hope you stick around - think about doing the SEP, and keep us posted, okay?

Jan