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Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by shalya1012, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. shalya1012

    shalya1012 New Member

    This started about six weeks ago. LEgs felt weird, uneasy, pain in my butt, ankles, quads, glutes, everywhere. Moves from side to side, front to back. Very hard to describe. Anyone have exp with this? I keep thinking its some crazy disease. However i try to run and can run easily for three miles!
    I am still finishing off all the tests with my Dr so i cant completely commit to TMS yet till all my blood work comes back.
    Shoudl I force an MRI. I went the Er twice and they see no reason to give me an MRI based on my vauge symptoms and my Xray was fine. My family Dr wont either.
  2. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Shalya - it sounds like your doctors are more open to the mind-body connection than you are, which is something to be celebrated these days!

    The most depressing thing I ever heard someone say was "I just want THEM to find what's wrong so THEY can fix it".

    It sounds like you could have this same mind set. Might I suggest that you let go of that concept, and consider that you have more power over your body than you think (or that we are led to believe)?

    There is no reason not to embrace TMS theory no matter what is going on with you. I have used the things I learned by doing this work in order to be a better dental patient, to banish headaches in less than an hour, and to rarely if ever encounter what used to be regular digestive upsets. Along with a whole bunch number of other symptoms including anxiety and emerging depression. Everyone can use mind-body knowledge to lessen the pain of an injury, to strengthen your own immune system, and in general to heal better and faster with fewer medications if you DO have an injury or illness.

    But it does require letting go of some of your classic TMS personality traits! Like perfectionism and a rigid mind-set. I know, I've been there.
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  3. Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)

    Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi, Shalya. I echo Jan's reply. No need for an MRI since medics say it isn't necessary. Pain moving around the body means TMS. I suggest you start the Sructured Educational Program, free in the subforum of this web site. It will help you to discover the emotional reasons you have in pain. They are psychological, not structural. Here is a recent report on how the SEP helps. Kevin later posted that he was 100 percent pain-free.

    Kevin healed 95 % from SEP

    Welcome to the SEP and to the path of recovery. I am on my final two days of the program and I can say with complete confidence that I am a changed man. I started after 6 months of nasty low-back/butt/leg pain, could hardly walk, stand, etc. was in physical therapy, chiropractor, acupuncture, pain medications, etc.. the usual. My MRI showed 3 disk bulges/herniations touching nerves, so that is what I believe it to be....that is until I read Dr. Sarno and found this site.

    I encourage you to really get involved, follow the instructions, do the journaling, take time to read all the suggested readings, and watch the videos. I'd say I'm 95% cured. There is still some very light lingering "annoyance", but I still have some work to do. I've been walking miles with hardly any pain these last few weeks. But even more, if the pain comes on now, it just doesn't bother me like it used to, I sorta just see it, acknowledge it, and go about my business. It took working the program to get to that point, but 6 weeks compared to 6 months is nothing! I made more progress in the first week than I did from two months of PT!!! It's going to challenge you and your "beliefs" in medicine, but you have nothing to lose. We generally wind up here when all else fails.

    So give it a shot, especially before considering anything invasive like surgery. If you put the work in, you will get better. Have you read Dr. Sarno yet? I assume you have since you're here, but in case you haven't, definitely read Healing Back Pain. Again, it will challenge everything you've believed about your pain, and backs in general. You'll be encouraged to resume life as normal, i.e. stop ALL "therapies" (PT, chiro, etc.), stop taking medications, and most importantly, stop thinking STRUCTURAL problems are the cause of your pain and shift to psychological as the reason.....again, this can be difficult and takes some time to sink in, so be patient and kind to yourself.

    It was a process for me. A few of the bigger moves in my case were: I ripped up and threw out my MRI test results (I found myself obsessively reading over them and comparing them to other results I could find on the web and even here on the TMSwiki site...); I got back to the gym and stopped using a weight belt; and I even cancelled an appointment I had made with a TMS doctor because it was more than a month away and it was hindering my recovery (that is, my 100% belief in TMS was lagging because I had this pending appointment, but as soon as I cancelled it, my recovery sped up significantly). Everyone's journey is unique to their situation, but I've found that really committing to the program and brining what I learn from it into my daily life has had profound results. Also, sharing along the way here in these forums has been extremely helpful - there's something about knowing that you're not alone in your TMS recovery that really helps. I encourage you to look through my past posts for some insight into my experience with SEP.

    Like I said, I'm just now finishing, tomorrow is my final day, and I feel like a changed person. It's amazing. And I feel as though it is something that one carries on with, not just like a one time 6 week thing and that's that...it has helped me to get to know myself and taught me tools to "deal" with my emotions. Learning and accepting TMS is a life changer for sure.
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  4. Anne Walker

    Anne Walker Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hello. I agree with Walt and Jan. Everything you describe I have experienced many, many times and it seems classic TMS to me. For some reason TMS seems to be especially skilled at producing very uncomfortable, fear provoking symptoms that the medical community is not quite sure what to do with. I have been driven by my TMS to explore just about every disease you can think of. You can keep digging and searching for a tangible diagnosis, but what you have been going through really does sound like TMS and not life threatening(you do not want to ignore symptoms of a heart attack for instance). Ask your doctors if you can safely do what I did - take six months to dive in and commit to a TMS diagnosis. Trust me, your doctors will not say it is okay to do that unless it is. Then put on hold worrying about what might be wrong for a few months at least and explore TMS. This is what I did and after a few months, I was very clear that there was no need pursue medical diagnosis for my pain. This worked for me. Sometime the exploration and compulsion to figure out what is wrong, not truly committing to the idea that it is TMS, can be a distraction in itself.
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  5. Kalo

    Kalo Well known member

    Hi Shayla,

    I wasn't going to respond but, I have had VERY BAD performs/sciatica pain in my right leg and also refers to my left leg. Pain goes to my right butt and all the way down my leg. It will burn and it hurts to sit. I went to TWO different Doctors who are DO's and they didn't even run a xray of my back or nothing and didn't seem concerned! I went THREE times in pain and they gave me a diagnosis SI Joint disfunction and told me there was nothing that could be done. I was then sent with STRETCHING exercises, LOL! All this with no order up test of Xray or MRI!

    My pain came on when I came home and my poor 90 year old Mom who torched the toaster on fire! Four hours later I experienced exercuiating back pain and the next day woke up to pirformis syndrome...This was over 8 months ago.

    I haven't yet committed to any program, but, I was thinking of Monte Hueftles program. BTW, he is a runner and had painful pirformis/sciatic pain.

    One thing is I still have the Master Plan CD as I lost the book and he says our thoughts in THE NOW are what create our pain syndrome and not some 40 year old repressed emotion.

    I believe it!

    Last edited: Dec 7, 2015
  6. Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)

    Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi, Kalo. You may be worried about your mother's health and that she might set the house on fire. Being a caregiver... I know how stressful that can be.
    I was the primary caregiver for my mother when she was in her late eighties and it practically put me in the nut house.

    Here is the essence of Dr. Sarno's TMS book, Healing Back Pain, and his 12 Daily Reminders. Another TMSer, Herbie, wrote an extended version that I like:

    Herbie’s Extended Version of Dr. Sarno’s 12 DAILY REMINDERS

    1. The pain is due to TMS. This is real pain or anxiety but it is caused by subconscious tensions and triggers, stressors and traits to your reactions and fears and also when at boiling point your conscious tension can and does also cause real pain.
    2. The main reason for the pain is mild oxygen deprivation. This means that when you get in pain or anxiety then the blood is restricted from going to your lower back, for instance. The blood being restricted causes oxygen deprivation which causes the pain. Remember, where there is no oxygen then there is pain in the body. Also, the pain stays because of fear.
    3. TMS is a harmless condition caused by my REPRESSED EMOTIONS so even though you think you can harm yourself from the years of pain you have felt and how you feel in general -- so far no reports have been heard from TMS healing knowledge causing damage to anyone, it only helps.
    4. The principle emotion is your repressed ANGER -- this means under your consciousness lies something that happens automatically to everyone. TMSers have repressions that are stored because of our personality traits, traumas, stressors, fears, strain, etc... When these stored repressions build and build, then eventually they cause the brain to send pain into your body to keep you from having an emotional crises. The mind-body thinks it is helping you.
    5. TMS exists to DISTRACT your attentions from the emotions, stressors, tensions and strains of your personality traits because if you can get distraction then you won’t have to be in emotional turmoil. When you don't face and feel your emotions and they get repressed because you didn't want to deal with something -- they are just adding up in this beaker, ready to pour over and create real pain and anxiety in your body.
    6. Since my body is perfectly normal, there is nothing to fear. So in reality when I fear the pain or anxiety I just cause myself undo strain and tension adding to the beaker of pain. If I fear, then I feed the pain, If I fear, it’s impossible to recondition. Fear keeps the pain and anxiety alive in the body through focus.
    7. Therefore, physical activity is harmless. If I want to work against the pain I could but it’s better to lose some of the pain so when I start my life over I have to be in pain trying to heal because facing the repressions and all the other activities that cause the pain and reversing my fear and focus to them, then I can heal.
    8. I am resuming all normal physical activity. I don't fear moving anymore. I believe in my body’s ability to heal now. I can move as I want. I will not fear moving with a bent back anymore. I will also practice going out and acting normal again, not in fear of what pain might do to me.
    9. The pain is unimportant and powerless. Its only power is how it is hidden -- its illusion, its fear.
    10. I will keep my attention on the emotional issues. I will think about my emotions and feel my emotions throughout the day. I will not judge, criticize or fear my emotions. I will not run from my emotional issues but face every one of them. I will feel my emotions fully and cry if I need to. Then I will release the emotion and get my mind and thoughts back to my life and living in the present.
    11. I am in control of all of this. This is how I recover.
    12. I will be thinking PSYCHOLOGICALLY AT ALL TIMES. This means I will keep my thoughts on psychological issues like happiness, fear and anger -- traits and triggers, conditioning and journaling -- The science behind mind-body/TMS healing, etc.... This way I will not feed my thoughts to the body -- that is a trick of TMS. TMS will always try to get me to focus on the body caused by the pain until I break its show and flair. When I get my attention off physical symptoms and on to emotional issues and psychological issues then I will not feed the fear of the physical issues anymore, thus making the TMS of no pain effect on the body. This will in return, give us the cure and become pain-free.
  7. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    You know Kalo

    I really like monte twist and i believe its the things in know his what gives us pain also Dr Hanscom as the same approach i believe ....unless u had a serious childhood problem. But who cares if your mother or father yelled at u for not eating your dinner. I have been trying to deal in the NOW i spent the last yr in my tms journey with no improvement at all so i need to focus my energy in the now
  8. Kalo

    Kalo Well known member

    Well, in 2008 I had Monte's Master Plan CD and found it! I have listened to it and according to him, it's our day to day CHRONIC THOUGHT PATTERNS! That create inner stress. It's not the 40 year repressed emotions.

    So, if you have to change the negative anger, sadness, worrying, or people pleasing to a more and open and allowing thought.

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  9. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    Along with Dr Hanscom approach and monte outlook i have combined both methodolgy to help me....i think the best approach is to radically change your life which Steve O once told me ....Make steps to get a happy life and your pain will fade
  10. Kalo

    Kalo Well known member

    Well, what SteveO says makes sense, but, according to Monte and Ekart Tolle, even if you make the changes there will always be challenges to deal with that will effect us. According to Monte it's not your job, mate, finance or where you live. It is how you think about them.

    I don't know about everyone else on this board, but, I feel like I have to be Jesus or Buddah to be able to say that what is going on in my life and the mental chatter I tell myself is the problem and not the situation I am in.

    There is an old saying that goes... Life is 10 percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”

    Yeah, but, still I suffer with the mental chatter, ugh, and how to you change that negative emotion to positive. or as monte says a more an open allowing thought. Like a 3 hour job drive for part time, and taking care of my poor sick mom...

  11. Boston Redsox

    Boston Redsox Well Known Member

    Good post Kalo
  12. shalya1012

    shalya1012 New Member

    Oh my God I had no idea any one responded I only got notified once. I truly from the bottom of my heart appreciate the replies!!!!! Pain and weird scary pain like nerve pain is so scary. Once I get scared it consumes me and I can not think of anything else. These past two month have been pure hell and I still have soooo much going on.
    Kalo- I have a sick mom too wit MS, and I think it triggers it all. She has been this way since my childhood and I think that is really when all of this started.
  13. Hen

    Hen Peer Supporter

    I hear you on the leg and hip and butt pain. I also get consumed with it and then start doubting that its TMS and that's where I'm at now. Really focusing on repudiating the bulging discs are causing this and that its psychological. I wish I'd never had the stupid MRI. It was expensive and really reinforced a structural abnormality diagnosis that I'm still trying to shake off.
  14. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi there, I totally understand. Quite often there is no correlation between spine abnormalities and pain. It may be worth engaging with a TMS Dr so you can put your mind at ease and be reassured it is TMS.
  15. Hen

    Hen Peer Supporter

    No TMS docs in IN but there are online. Ortho Dr looked at MRI and said bulges aren't touching nerves so shouldn't have pain and spine specialist said "I can see why you do have pain". Two doctors, two very different readings of the same MRI. Conservative treatment is what 90% of sufferers go with anyway. But when I put my emotional tailspin into the picture the timing is spot on for when pain started. So...not sure what TMS doc could tell me online?
  16. nora1879

    nora1879 Newcomer

    I am experiencing similar thoughts, and am having a very difficult time attributing the pain in my left leg/ hip to TMS as I was told by several practitioners after having an MRI that I have sciatica. Have been in PT for several months, but the pain has yet to cease especially in the middle of the night and often times in the morning upon awakening. I go back and forth from believing it is TMS to doubting that it is. It is all very frustrating isn't it? I have little or no lower back pain, but at times the leg/ calf is excruciating to the point that I cannot sleep even with OTC sleeping pills. I am relatively new to this site and will continue reading, journaling etc., but at times it is all very discouraging.

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