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  1. Genghis

    Genghis New Member

    Hello. I'm seeing a hypnotherapist very soon for relief of pain. The approach he uses is addressing repressed emotions and feelings which cause the pain. He believes that all pain (except for critical) is a result of unresolved/repressed emotions. Essentially all the pain has emotions attached to it. Can anyone advise?
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  2. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Sarno mentions that hypnosis can work for TMS.
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  3. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Here's an interesting blog from a hypno center in Australia, not too many TMS practitioners in Australia:

    https://sydneywellbeing.com.au/articles/hypnotherapy-articles/emotions-and-chronic-pain-can-hypnosis-help/ (Emotions, chronic pain, can hypnosis help?)

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      Emotional pain can cause chronic pain, but can it be reversed with hypnosis?

      Most back pain and other forms of chronic pain, can come from emotional pain and contrary to common belief probably have nothing to do with physical abnormalities.

      [​IMG]Dr. Sarno, a professor and attending physician for spinal injuries at the rehabilitation centre of the New York University, in his book “The Mindbody Prescription”, states: “Structural abnormalities of the spine are simply ‘grey hairs of the spine’ and in my experience they are rarely the source of pain”. Such abnormalities are present, in varying degrees, in most people over the age of twenty; even in those who have never suffered pain.

      The two main causes of muscular spasm and chronic pain are physical stress of overworked muscles and emotional stress, what Dr. Sarno calls Tension Myositis Syndrome (TMS), where the emotional stress manifests in stressed muscles and pain.

      “One must bear in mind that any structural abnormality is routinely said to be the cause of pain, when found on X-ray or imaging studies, in patients with TMS. In my experience they are rarely the source of the pain” says Dr. Sarno.

      In fact, after some 24 years of treating patients, Dr. Sarno has concluded that very rarely conditions such as Degenerative Osteoarthritis, Spinal Stenosis, Disc Herniation, Scoliosis, Spondylolisthesis and Osteoarthritis of the hip, to name a few, are the cause of pain. Dr. Sarno said: “When I started to look into it, I found that large numbers of people in whom the pain was being attributed to some structural abnormality actually had a totally different disorder. It was a disorder in which the pain was very real, but it was initiated by emotion”.

      Dr. Sarno: Now let me tell you something interesting. Having said this, it wouldn’t make any difference if there were a half a dozen other explanations for the pain, as long as it was clear in one’s mind that the brain was doing this. That the brain was producing symptoms — and this is the heart of the matter and this is what’s extremely important — we haven’t gotten into the psychology yet. But the brain was producing symptoms in order to protect the patient from psychological trauma, turmoil, something of that sort. And I came to that conclusion only after many, many years. I wasn’t ready to say that until I published my book, The Mindbody Prescription, in 1998.

      My professional experience as a hypnotherapist, supports Dr. Sarno’s findings. Having worked with people who suffered from chronic back pain for many years, Dr. Sarno later reported many have found permanent relief by having series of treatments of psychotherapy and hypnotherapy.

      Many clients report getting pain relief after attending hypnotherapy sessions and afterwards listening to the hypnosis cd for chronic pain management. They say that sessions of hypnotherapy helped to relieve long-standing crippling pain and they maintained it by regular listening to the hypnosis cd at home.

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  4. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Yep, hypnosis is supposed to be a great tool, but not one I know much about. I know Dr Sarno mentions it, as Tom has suggested.

    I'm assuming hypnosis is possibly like a super fast means of enforcing neuroplasticity.
  5. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hypnosis is based on the same Freudean concept of unconscious as Sarno's method. It is a way to reach into unconscious but with the help of a practitioner. I read that you need somebody very experienced and competent, and those people are hard to find. Good luck and let us know how it goes for you!
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  6. fridaynotes

    fridaynotes Peer Supporter

    i have had a lot of success with hypnosis recordings on YouTube.
  7. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Not too much for me. Can you, please, specify which ones worked for you?
  8. fridaynotes

    fridaynotes Peer Supporter

    it depends what is ailing you i think. although i think a lot of what has helped me are hypnosis for panic and anxiety. such as:
  9. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Anxiety - yes. I like the one by Jon Kabat Zinn on youtube. However, the ones for pain did not make much of a dent in my symptoms.
  10. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    I think having a custom hypnosis tape made for me, which I used regularly, helped my nervous system relax, as part of my TMS recovery. I then, ingeniously, I think ;) had a tape made directing me to inquire and to expose to myself the inner emotions which might be causing me pain, asking for them to come into consciousness. I never used this tape actually, since by then I was better!
  11. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Mike,
    Can you provide the reference for this. I either forgot this or never knew it~! Thanks.
    Andy B
  12. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Andy,

    My apologies, I stand corrected I've checked my kindle and was unable to find it in the good Dr's books.

    However, there are a few Dr's and specialist who have extended Dr Sarnos work and built in the hypnotherapy technique into healing. I've just checked Google.
  13. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Here's one, there are others:

    "My professional experience as a hypnotherapist, supports Dr. Sarno’s findings. Having worked with people who suffered from chronic back pain for many years, Dr. Sarno later reported many have found permanent relief by having series of treatments of psychotherapy and hypnotherapy."
  14. Walt Oleksy

    Walt Oleksy Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hypnotherapy is wonderful, free, and it definitely works for me.
    I practice a form of hypnotherapy called the Relaxation Response...

    As far back as Biblical times, people have had emotional problems they thought were unsolvable. Many turned to faith to heal them, and history proves it works. Are you at all spiritual? Have you asked God to relieve you of your suicidal thoughts?

    I am not an evangelical Christian but an old-fashioned Catholic all my 86 years. I currently pray the Rosary every day and practice meditation,. I urge you to try the Relaxation Response...

    Meditation is a time-honored way of relaxing the mind and relieving anxiety, mental stress, headaches, and even physical pain. There are many ways to practice meditation, but many consider the most successful to be a technique called the Relaxation Response (RR).

    It is a wonderful way to practice TMS Mindbody Healing because it changes harmful thinking in the subconscious mind which Dr. John Sarno says causes pain that is not caused by anything structural.

    The RR, practiced once twice a day for 10, 15, or 20 minutes has a profound positive effect on the subconscious mind, relieving or curing everything from anxiety, hypertension, headaches, fatigue, nervousness, dizziness, high blood pressure, insomnia, stomach problems, all forms of pain including backaches, abdominal pain, muscle pain, neck, arm, and leg pain, and relieves side affects from cancer and AIDS.

    RR is like Transcendental Meditation which is taught by TM specialists who charge hundreds or thousands of dollars. But the RR is free and you can do it yourself.

    It is practiced, before a meal, and works best if not practiced within two hours after a meal. I do it in bed before arising in the morning and again in bed before falling sleep. Often, I only do it 5 or 10 minutes and it works to calm me and put me to sleep.

    Just sit in a chair (or lie in bed in the morning or at bedtime), close your eyes, don’t listen to any music, and try to avoid outside noises. Let your mind think of a word such as "One " which has no real meaning or association. Or say a calming word such as “Calm” or “Peace,” or add the faith or spiritual element by saying a favorite religious word or prayer. Breathe naturally or incorporate Deep Breathing by breathing in through the mouth to inflate the stomach, suck in the stomach while holding the breath for a few seconds, then say the word when you exhale through the mouth.

    Say the word silently over and over. At the end of the 10 to 20 minutes, picture and feel yourself as you were when you felt your best, and in a place where you felt that way.

    When distracting thoughts arise during the RR, as they will, just tell yourself, “Oh, well,” and go back to repeating your chosen word.

    My "word" is a prayer: "God loves me and is protecting me." I say it a few times and go right to sleep. If my mind wanders onto other things, I tell myself"Oh, well," and repeat my mantra silently while deep breathing.

    There are several free videos on Youtube about the Relaxation Response. I especially recommend these two by Dr. Benson:

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