How I healed from a myriad of symptoms

Plum, your response is so eloquent and beautiful that it made me want to cry, but of course in my family were weren’t allowed to cry, so I don’t. I would say I am a worrier but mostly about my symptoms. They worry me to no end. I feel at times I am accepting them for what they are and not stressing about them and that soon they will just dissipate, but when they continue to linger after months I distress all over again. And the cycle continues. Surely if I’m accepting for a long period of time they should just vanish. It’s all so insane.

I used to do Yoga and think I will look into it again. Like you, I try to meditate at least 10 minutes a day.

As always Plum, your posts are a pleasure to read and I am happy that you are finding peace.
 
Hey @JanAtheCPA ,
Sure Im also glad to hear advice from others! :)
Im struggeling tho and as I read @Dorado thread I thought he wouldnt mind to give some advice but Im would be very thankful for any advice given!
 
Claire Weekes has saved unknown thousands of people, including many many members of our Forum, from disabling anxiety, thanks to her little book "Hope and Help For Your Nerves" . It was written in 1969 and the brilliant Dr Weekes is no longer with us, but her book (audios and videos, too, I think) continues to help people. It's the second book that saved me, after "The Divided Mind" .
 
Yea I just think maybe its not working for everyone, I work on the acceptance method quit a while and dont see much improvement. :/
 
so guys i have been reading in this forum about chronic fatigue, exhaustion and that’s something i’m going thro. i even took some time off the gym because i’m blaming it for the cause of the exhaustion (almost everytime i feel worst when going). now i don’t go to the gym and fear of returning because what if i get worst? after some time off i still feel fatigued even sometimes not wanting to walk or climb stairs. even tho i feel like this i want to pick up sports and i still kinda want to weightlift.

thoughts?
 
Dear @Dorado
Thank you for your reply.
I actually then wanted to ask in short, if you had panic attacks? Im currently having them during the evening when I lie in my bed, I feel then my heart racing with 120 bpm, then I freak more out because Im afraid that I will have a heart attack and then it goes to 160 bpm and I think Im dying.

I also read your keys to healing and found them very helpful but my problem is:
As Im telling myself during this attack that nothing will happen, its just panic and try to accept it, another half of me is still fearing the symptoms : fast heart beat, sweating, dizzyness, hot flashes/feelings, shakiness.. so I guess Im not really accepting because I still fear it?
My question would be:
how do I accept this symptoms( and they really feel so dangerous) like the racing heart.. without fearing them?

cause‘ my fear this dreaded fear comes so automatically and I cant control it.

I tried also lying with it and it really goes away after 40min till 1 hour.. but still I fear the next one coming.. :(

Would be so glad to hear your reply @Dorado

Thank you so much,
Ruby
@Ruby_, I have indeed dealt with panic attacks! I agree with looking into the workings of Claire Weekes. And I promise that this can be overcome - the brain is neuroplastic and always changing. This is not permanent!

I've written about this topic here and 100% still stand by my words - I think this might help you:

http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/nocturnal-panic-attacks.17881/#post-95223 (Nocturnal panic attacks)

http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/nocturnal-panic-attacks.17881/#post-95238 (Nocturnal panic attacks)

You are going to be okay! :) I totally understand how anxiety makes you feel like you're dying or going to lose control - you are not alone. Please let me know if you have any questions on the posts linked above as I am very happy to answer them.

PS: I love your Lion King icon so much!
 
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so guys i have been reading in this forum about chronic fatigue, exhaustion and that’s something i’m going thro. i even took some time off the gym because i’m blaming it for the cause of the exhaustion (almost everytime i feel worst when going). now i don’t go to the gym and fear of returning because what if i get worst? after some time off i still feel fatigued even sometimes not wanting to walk or climb stairs. even tho i feel like this i want to pick up sports and i still kinda want to weightlift.

thoughts?
@stevow7, I dealt with chronic fatigue after overcoming mono years ago (which was totally related to my stress levels, not permanent effects of mono like some people believe). I also recently had a bout of extreme fatigue after going out with friends a few months ago. Healthy individuals who experience chronic fatigue are definitely affected by the mind-body connection (TMS)!

Dr. Sarno, Dr. Schubiner, Steve Ozanich, etc. have all confirmed this. Here's an article written by Schubiner on the topic: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unlearn-your-pain/201606/explaining-the-unexplainable-chronic-fatigue-syndrome (Explaining the Unexplainable: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome)

Central sensitization is often used to refer to pain that should have already gone away once the body heals, but the mind-body connection keeping it going due to emotions. This can also apply to fatigue due to anxiety, depression, conditions such as mono, and more.
 
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@stevow7, I dealt with chronic fatigue after overcoming mono years ago (which was totally related to my stress levels, not permanent effects of mono like some people believe). I also recently had a bout of extreme fatigue after going out with friends a few months ago. Healthy individuals who experience chronic fatigue are definitely affected by the mind-body connection (TMS)!

Dr. Sarno, Dr. Schubiner, Steve Ozanich, etc. have all confirmed this. Here's an article written by Schubiner on the topic: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unlearn-your-pain/201606/explaining-the-unexplainable-chronic-fatigue-syndrome (Explaining the Unexplainable: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome)

Central sensitization is often used to refer to pain that should have already gone away once the body heals, but the mind-body connection keeping it going due to emotions. This can also apply to fatigue due to anxiety, depression, conditions such as mono, and more.

what exactly do you mean by “This can also apply to fatigue due to anxiety, depression, conditions such as mono, and more.”?

thanks for replying!
 
@stevow7, just like "central sensitization" (a total mind-body/TMS component) can make someone who experiences a broken knee still experience pain even decades after they heal, chronic fatigue can also be brought on the same way! Sometimes our bodies get stuck in a "loop," but that doesn't mean we're damaged, and you can work yourself out of it by doing the mind-body/TMS work. Howard Schubiner's article does a great job of explaining this.

I had to ask myself why I was having the symptoms and remember it was an emotional process - that's how I got through it.
 
@Dorado
Thank you so much for your reply with the great advice!

I actually struggle a lot with this *surrending* method..
The last week was more or less positive for me because I managed to not have a panic attack .. TILL Yesterday..
Again I was lying in my bed and watching a movie ( at 7 pm) as I again felt that my heart started to beat fast .. all the last time I could calm myself and tell to myself that its just anxiety and it went .. This time I also tried again to do it but I couldnt I calm myself and freaked out..
My heart started to beat fast and I left the room.. I really dont know what to do because when I get this feeling of fear I really feel like Im dying.. I don’t understand how to not react to this…
I get so weak, sweaty and begin to shake.. and then I can not stop thinking that now is something bad about to happen with me.. and I get this full blown attack - where I fear I might get a heart attack or a stroke or whatever..

Its just this overwhelming SYMPTOMS which start in the first place.. they are so fearful .. Its so strong, like my heart starts to beat fast (out of nowhere), I get extremly sweaty and shaky.. and this feelings are so extremly scary to me.. I cant tell other then fear them, because they feel so dangerous to me..

I dont know how to not react to heart which beats with 160 bpm, sweatyness, shakyness, hot flashes and so on.. HOW? :(
I dont uderstand how you could just let this all be, whithout fearing it? I try, but it doesnt seem to work, because I honestly just freak out when I feel this.
 
@Ruby_, what helped me is realizing that mind-body symptoms are experienced by every human and even animals, whether minor (an eye twitching when you’re angry) or more severe (like my situation a few years ago). I realized there was nothing to fear when I understood that the symptoms are not permanent, and I ultimately had control and power. Patience is needed - that’s why going back to living your fullest life helps. You’re able to learn how to enjoy the things you love again while letting your body calm down with time.

Passions are the best distractions, even more than trying to calm yourself down (which can have the opposite effect for some people). When I was having panic attacks, I’d call my mom and talk to her about her day or ask a friend to come over. If I was in the office, I would find a valid reason to call someone about a project I was managing (and there was ALWAYS someone to call about a deadline - I never wasted their time or mine, ha). My cat is an absolute godsend and playing made me feel better quickly, too. People helped distract me because being alone allowed me to get too deep in my thoughts, but other people are okay with being alone and watching movies, reading books, etc. It took my mind off the symptoms and helped me and my nervous system relax!

When I was alone, this might sound strange, but I once heard someone say they put sunglasses on in their house (can apparently help with your sensory processing when in a state of panic), listened to music they loved, and danced around. Sometimes I would do this and it did help. Distractions were everything for me!
 
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@Dorado .. thank you so much for your help..
Just now I went with some friends to a shopping mall, we ate there and I had some wine, after this wine my heart now is again beating with 115 bpm.. and as Im now back home I again starting to focus a lot on *what is wrong with me* :/
Idk Dorado, its like I cant stop thinking that I might die because of my heart beating this fast.. I just can not not think otherwise.. its so frustrating because it sets on my panic attacks and then Im in total fear/ doom... its so horrible .. It so feels like Im dying!!!! I cant stand this symptoms :((
 
@Ruby_, I am so very sorry you’re feeling this way. Tachycardia is most certainly a common symptom of panic attacks. Additionally, wine and other alcohols can increase my heart rate - this used to scare me when I’d go to clubs in college. I thought I’d have a heart attack on the dance floor, but then my favorite song would come on or someone cool would walk by and I’d suddenly forget about it. I’d spend the night dancing and running around, often staying up until 4 AM (or later!) at the Greek life houses. So much for a heart attack, right? Distractions really have always helped me! :)

When the doctors rule out other conditions, we can assure ourselves we are okay and that it’s all anxiety. Have you received words of encouragement from your doctors? Do they know how stressed you are over these symptoms?

What also helped me was talking to an incredibly supportive therapist. Have you tried speaking to someone? You deserve to strong support, and your life is worth investing in yourself and your emotional well-being. You can get through this!
 
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Unfortunately I’m near breaking point. I’ve been trying to heed people’s advice from here who have recovered. Particularly Dorado’s, Balto’s and HillBilly. The penny hasn’t seemed to have dropped and I’m suffering more than ever despite what I thought was recovery.

I never thought I’d say this, but I think I’m getting suicidal ideation. I’m not one of those people. I valued my life too much. I just can’t cope or put up with the suffering and being uncomfortable everyday.
 
Unfortunately I’m near breaking point. I’ve been trying to heed people’s advice from here who have recovered. Particularly Dorado’s, Balto’s and HillBilly. The penny hasn’t seemed to have dropped and I’m suffering more than ever despite what I thought was recovery.

I never thought I’d say this, but I think I’m getting suicidal ideation. I’m not one of those people. I valued my life too much. I just can’t cope or put up with the suffering and being uncomfortable everyday.

I’m so sorry that you’re feeling so desperate, sometimes living with so much pain is an unbearable burden. I don’t have any answers for you but please don’t give up. Sending you a big hug x
 
@IrishMonkey92, I am also so very sorry you are struggling. I know what it’s like to hit rock bottom, and I must say that I am very grateful to be where I am today. Sometimes when I’m having a wonderful day, it hits me yet again that I would’ve missed out on some of the best times of my life had I given up on things like my job, relationships, etc. When I was in so much pain I couldn’t even touch a computer mouse without wanting to scream, I never would’ve guessed just how many incredible experiences were waiting for me - without pain! Your presence matters and you deserve support. Are there any local doctors and/or counselors you trust to work with? If not, are online resources (e.g., MDLIVE, TMS therapists, etc.) available to you?

Please know that we are always here to talk and we do not judge how anybody feels - many of us have felt like we were stuck. We understand how intense those types of feelings are and want to reference the types of support that can best help you. Sometimes more support is needed than forums alone. Have you looked into these options?

There is always an answer to every problem. People don't truly want to die - they only wish for their pain and suffering to stop, but they can't see a way out of that pain and suffering. But every problem has a solution. Your pain and suffering are not permanent, and there are people who can help you find the right solutions and work with you to build a great life for yourself. Nobody on this forum is hopeless.

Sending you lots of warmth and healing thoughts. ❤️
 
I wanna thank you so much for your Thread !

you mention so many thoughts that I have, so many worries and fears and show that the right way is exactly that not to deal with it too much! thank you thank you thank you !!!
 
Hello, everyone!

I have not been able to participate in forum discussions a whole lot or respond to direct messages. This is not due to any health-related issues or negative events; in fact, I’m living my best life and happier than ever! I’ve been lucky to be involved with some amazing opportunities and new responsibilities. Two years ago, back when I was sure my life was over, I would’ve never pictured being this content. I even managed to overcome a few losses and some hardships this year without breaking down as I surely would have in the past. This year has been filled with professional endeavors, personal growth and experiences, heartbreak, travel and adventures, stress, elation, laughter, tears, etc. And I'm embracing it all. Life feels precious and beautiful.

I want to reiterate: as Steve Ozanich says, when you’re having symptoms, don’t panic - ask yourself why your body feels the need to experience them. Don’t worry about how long it took this person to heal, if that person had flare ups, etc. You are an individual, and it all boils down to understanding what’s actually happening, relaxing yourself, believing you are safe, and moving on with life. It really is that simple. It’s certainly okay to receive support from loved ones, therapists, doctors, and members on this board, but remember that it’s ultimately up to you to get to that peaceful place. And everybody can! Yes, that does indeed include you.

When going through this journey, I always advise people to work with doctors who understand the mind-body connection. They don’t have to be “TMS” or Sarno experts, but they should recognize how the mind affects the body. This will allow you to trust your medical team to distinguish the structural from the psychological (and be able to spot a blend of both - e.g., pain from true nerve damage worsened by emotional stress).

With regard to overcoming your symptoms, there are multiple points of consideration I'd like to elaborate on:

REASSURANCE SEEKING
At the end of the day, reassurance seeking and becoming reliant on reassurance from others will only perpetuate the cycle of symptoms. I understand this more than anybody else - my mother and doctors had to be direct with me when I was experiencing my issues a few years ago. I now realize I made the mistake of enabling reassurance seeking patterns with numerous forum members who wanted advice from me. I didn’t encourage people enough to break that cycle. I still believe in you all and always will, and you’ve got to believe in yourself, too! It’s all about healthily balancing and managing your life. Those are my keys to healing. What is it about the way you view and handle life that is stressing your body out so badly? How can you change your perception of life and develop positive strategies for living your best life yet?

My mom and I recently had a situation where someone close to us was constantly seeking reassurance. It was eye opening for us to see how indulging individual's reassurance seeking patterns impacted their ability to move on. I want to support everyone as much as I possibly can, but I also need to not disrupt one fostering their own independence!

I am so incredibly sorry that I have been unable to answer every question and direct message. I wish I could respond to everyone, but it’s not feasible for me anymore, and I want to be careful about enabling reassurance seeking and dependency. It’s not beneficial to you. Here is a great Reddit post on how reassurance seeking further creates anxiety (note: this is not my post, nor do I have a Reddit account, so I cannot take credit for any part of the conversation). Plus, private messaging does not allow for others to benefit from the insight shared. With that said...

THE MIND-BODY CONNECTION: A HUMAN EXPERIENCE
For everyone asking me how I’ve healed, this entire thread explains how I did it. For those who have requested my opinion regarding whether your symptoms are caused by the mind-body connection, unless you have an issue like a broken bone or cystic fibrosis, the answer is yes. And even then, the mind-body connection can make wounds heal much slower and cystic fibrosis patients die way faster (remember how Bobbi Campbell talked about seeing this with cancer and AIDS patients). Also, if you continue to experience foot pain after your broken foot heals, you’d better believe it’s the mind-body connection! The symptoms you are experiencing are normal and an extremely human response to an increasingly stressful world our more primitive ancestors didn’t live in. Steve Ozanich is correct when he says there are very few permanent and unchangeable conditions.

Please understand that flare-ups are normal. As I always say, the mind and the body are deeply connected, and everybody experiences mind-body symptoms - whether it’s an eye twitch when you’re angry, blushing when you’re embarrassed, CRPS after a traumatic event, depression after a divorce, etc. I had some pains earlier this year after significant stress, but I asked myself why my body felt the need to experience symptoms, ensured I was managing my emotions in an appropriate manner, and then went back to living life. And I’m feeling FAB! This is why I am super careful about people saying, “I have TMS.” You don’t have TMS like someone has strep throat. Again, the only thing you have is a normal bodily response to emotions. For some people, the response is minor (blushing when embarrassed); for others, it’s more severe (CRPS).

CHANGING YOUR LIFE
I will quote myself: do not forget neuroplasticity and how the brain changes throughout your entire life. Beautiful new neural connections are forming every day. Your management and perception of life can change. Think about how much freedom you have to start the process of changing your entire life today - physically, mentally, and emotionally! You are not stuck in this place forever.

Neuroplasticity and changing your life takes time. You have to be determined and put in effort to create the new habits and behaviors. This is not an overnight process. Maybe cognitive behavioral therapy will get you there. Perhaps visualization and meditation. You have to do what works for you.

TAKING IT PERSONALLY
In addition to commonly discussed traits like perfectionism, another trend I’ve noticed is that many people who are suffering continue to internalize their interactions and experiences with others. If you can relate, it’s important to work on being overly sensitive; clearly communicate your thoughts to others so you can properly avoid “blowing up,” spiraling, and/or becoming a doormat; and move forward without letting negativity dominate your entire reality. As one recent and less dire example, I recently had a friend vocalize some rude thoughts to me, and I could’ve gone on for days about how they “wronged” me. Everyone would’ve agreed with me and been on my side. But I asked myself if I wanted to drain myself of energy. I took a deep breath, told the friend in a reasonable manner why I disagreed with them, and moved on regardless of their response to me. I had to prevent myself from letting it own me and weigh me down, and I needed to accept whatever happened next. I wasn’t able to consistently let go in the past.

You must avoid being a victim in everything that happens to you in life - both in the past and present. We have to learn how to not utterly shatter and break in a world that isn’t ever going to be 100% fair. You can’t help make the world a better place if you're easily broken. I am much more than a queer person who was born into some chaos and had some pretty horrific things happen to me and my family. It really is true that you can’t control the world, but you can control your response to it. When it comes to horrific events, nobody can tell you to just "get over it." You may never forget it. In addition, we all get angry or upset from time to time, and that's normal and can be healthy if managed well. However, it’s all about how you choose to handle the situation and let it affect your perception of life. Become a survivor who finds a way to overcome anything. Never let anything or anyone else define you. Love yourself. Be a bad ass!

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FINAL THOUGHTS
I’m not perfect, an expert, a doctor, a health coach, a counselor, etc. I’m just a regular person who experienced symptoms due to powerful emotions and not managing my life in a healthy manner. You are going to be okay, I promise. ❤️

This was incredible thx you
 
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