Alan, that answer was SO interesting! The brain is causing the pain AND causing muscle tension to happen, which is how it feels so real, as there is real tension. One thing that you said authentic indifference -- I have SUCH a hard time with this. I can't seem to be curious or indifferent about the pain. I genuinely don't want the pain at all -- I hate it , which I guess from what you are saying is feeding the pain. How do you come to this indifference? That is the hard part for me! It's like saying to be indifferent to being kicked in the shin --- that will never happen, as I'll always prefer NOT to be kicked in the shin -- every time. I have struggled for years to be the "curious observer" as I really can't find indifference. Would telling myself "I don't like it (the pain) but I accept that it's here right now and know that it's TMS and will eventually be gone"? Is that effective? So hard to be indifferent.