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Dry eyes and TMS

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by GemmaLeanne, Jun 30, 2025 at 12:52 PM.

  1. GemmaLeanne

    GemmaLeanne Newcomer

    I really need some help/insight. I have been doing mind body work for almost 3months now and whilst some of my pain has reduced in my eyes, gone from an 8/10 - 6/10 they are still painful every second of every day.
    They came on overnight a year ago during a stressful time. I have really obvious MGD and severe dry eyes which I worked on trying to get better for 9months before I found this work after realising anytime I was stressed my pain would get a lot worse and then stay worse until I relaxed so I knew there was more going on than just the physical problem. But I guess what I would like is to know of other people who have overcome this, I've seen a few on here but most of them don't seem to have anything physically wrong with their eyes when examined which makes me lose hope as I do. I'm only 31, I have a 3 year old and every day I feel like shampoo is being poured into my eyes, its ruining my life
    Through this I have had some symptom imperatives (tension headaches and wrist pain and a very short lived bit of abdominal pain) so I hold onto hope with those things that it is 100% mind body.
     
  2. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Well, @GemmaLeanne, here's the thing about the presentation of your symptoms, and please believe me when I say that you are not the only person who does this - not by a long shot.

    We see people here all the time, over many many years, who are convinced that they are the one special and unique case in which their symptoms are real, and physical, and that the successes and advice of anyone who has previously reported here is therefore not relevant to them.

    First of all, please keep in mind that this forum is devoted to the mindbody connection, and the mindbody connection is the advice you're going to receive. If you want confirmation that your condition is physical, we can't offer that.

    So I revisited the definition of MGD, which is basically something-or-other disorder, translating as dry eye syndrome. What I read tells me the following:
    MGD, or dry eye syndrome, is very common,
    It is not life-threatening or vision-threatening, nor does it require urgent intervention,
    A lot of attention has been and continues to be paid to finding a treatment that brings relief, but so far there have not been any significant successes,
    and
    Stress makes it worse.

    In other words, this condition has everything in common with so many other conditions that we, in our world, know qualify as pure TMS:
    The cause is unknown;
    The symptoms are debilitating but not life-threatening;
    The treatments invariably don't work or only offer temporary mitigation; and
    Stress makes symptoms worse.

    At this point, you have nothing to lose by going all-in on treating this thing as TMS. However, if you're convinced that you have a physical problem, that belief will prohibit you from finding any level of recovery from TMS education and tools.

    We've got the resources, the tools, and the willingness to support you with your self-education. The next step is up to you.
     
  3. GemmaLeanne

    GemmaLeanne Newcomer

    Thank you for your reply.

    I want to to leave behind any doubt and work fully with mind body, I have an evidence sheet as to why its mind body (my symptoms go away 90% in certain situations where I'm extremely calmed, for example sea swimming or having a massage) therefore it simply cannot be structural issues causing my pain.

    I've had 2 eye doctors through this who have told me how linked stress is and to work on that first so when I learnt about mind body work I started to question everything, especially as like you probably saw people can be asymptomatic with the same findings that I have.

    I have been journaling and following Nicole Sachs work for about 3months now but I feel like I'm just not approaching it from the right angle necessarily, I fit the TMS personality exactly and interestingly so do any of the people I speak to suffering with the same condition, another thing that solidifies my belief.

    Any advice you can give me to work with my nervous system and make it feel safe would be so appreciated. I'm ready to change my life for the better.
     
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  4. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    There you go, that's a much more constructive introduction!

    Nicole is a terrific resource, and I am one of her biggest fans. However, unless you're doing her paid program along with being in one of her higher-level paid support groups, you might not be getting the structure you need at this stage. Do keep listening to her podcasts regularly (you can even do a keyword search on her podcast home page and I bet you you'll find at least one episode about dry eyes).

    The first thing I recommend won't take much time, but it's an important starting point for many people, which is to get a big picture overview of your childhood issues. Use the questionnaire that's discussed in this forum thread which describes and links to the well-regarded ACEs questionnaire for childhood experiences: https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/aces-quiz-online-printable-versions.27061 (ACEs "quiz" - online & printable versions)
    Be sure to read the whole post and follow the recommendations.

    If you haven't read any of Dr Sarno's books, that's a prerequisite to doing the work, even though some of the information is kind of obsolete. His basic premise is still sound and it forms the basis of what we do here. Nicole's second book, just published, builds on his theories which he developed in the 80s and 90s (she also worked with him in her early years).

    Anxiety is a common TMS symptom, and needs to be addressed directly as part of the recovery process. Resources by Dr. Claire Weekes are very effective in dealing with anxiety. You can find more here: https://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Overcome_Anxiety_with_Dr._Claire_Weekes (Overcome Anxiety with Dr. Claire Weekes) or read her seminal book "Hope & Help For Your Nerves" which is also readily available in multiple formats.

    Most if not all of the books we recommend are available at public libraries in all of the formats.

    Finally, there's our Structured Educational Program on the main TMSWiki.org. It's free of cost and does not require any kind of registration. It's accessed via easily managed "daily" modules which you can complete at your own pace. Again, pay attention to the introductory information and recommendations for getting the most out of it. JournalSpeak will help you with the journaling exercises when you get there.

    Welcome to the forum and the SEP!
     
  5. GemmaLeanne

    GemmaLeanne Newcomer

    I had considered Nicoles paid programme so I will sign up for that!
    She does have one podcast on dry eye but im hopeful now that there's been one more people will start to come forward with this! Who knows maybe me one day when I get where I want to be! Prior to that I have listened to Nicoles book probably about 5 times because I related to it so heavily!

    Thank you so much for the link to the questionnaire I will do that today and see what information I get, like Nicole I had a good upbringing but things have definitely arose in my JS that make me realise even though it was fine I still have some trauma.
    I have actually just started listening to Dr Sarnos 1st book as reading is too much of a task for my eyes right now so I will persevere with that!

    Anxiety has always been an issue for me and with pain it's sky rocketed and I do find when my pain levels are low my anxiety is awful. typical symptom imperative! I will also add her book to my list!

    Your information is so helpful and it's nice to have somewhere to go to for support and reassurance. Thank you.
     

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