Day 1 - Not sure whether frozen shoulder is a TMS

Eric "Herbie" Watson said:
ok guys I was diagnosed with frozen shoulder by 1 doctor and another doctor told me it was a rotator cuff tear. Now my symptoms were in both categories so really I just settled with the name rotator cuff tear which is brought up in-Tms healing. The doctors told me it would take years to heal on its own and honestly for the better part of twenty years with that prognosis planted in my mind I don't hardly ever remember getting any relief- then in a turn over in bed 1 night I got it in my other shoulder.

So I basically couldn't raise my arm above rib cage, I couldn't throw an egg if I wanted too, I would hurt all night whether I laid right side, left side or back -- the pain was like 24-7 tendonitis which developed shortly after in my left arm. I've had the x rays with scar tissue and small tears in the tendons- like I said above this lasted most of my adult life. After the appointed time its supposed to take to heal I would start to feel good enough to throw a football and wham, same pain, same issue, same problem.

Well here we go another 1-3 years of not being able to do anything but lie in pain at night and hope I didn't have to move my arm to far in a wrong direction during the daytime or I'd have pain. And lord knows if id have to raise my hand in school to ask a question in my college days id just wave and hope the professor saw me.

Like I said above it never went away for long and I expected to have it the rest of my life. For me, fear of movement and what if it never goes away thoughts were always at the forefront of my mind. Not until I read sarnos works and his protocols did I ever get any relief, I approached it just the way I approached my back pain -- the same way as sarno suggest in his healing back pain book.

Not to focus anymore on that part of my body- which pretty much always had my focus -- journal daily about the past, present, things I couldn't change and things I could. I honestly just believed I could heal for the first time in over twenty years. I really believed Sarnos approach with all my heart and I went with it. The fear of re injury or it coming back was phenomenal so I had to recondition these thought patterns too.

Id say within 90 days I was doing everything I ever wanted to do like throwing the football to my son -- doing push-ups and bench pressing with no problems. If I want to raise my arms now, I do with no problems. It was the tms healing approach with full confidence guys it took care of what 1 Dr. called frozen shoulder and the other Dr. called rotator cuff tear. Now very seldom will the pain try to rear its ugly head (Conditioning).

At this point I can literally tell it to stop and it does, I know that sounds out there but it works for me. I
stopped the fear thoughts that were running wild to a halt -- and I truly with all my heart believed and I
healed. Im no doctor but I have my story and its truth. I wish you the best Digby55 -- and Birdie your a
blessing, im so glad to see you here. Gigi your an inspiration of hope
God Bless
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Wow, this is me!!!
 
Digby55 said:
... Sitting on the fence here in Oz re: TMS or Trigger Point for Frozen Shoulder.
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To the OP, if you're still around and haven't pulled the trigger on TPT: since this is the TMS board, this is my TMS reply, any results you would get from trigger point therapy or chiro-quack-tic would either be from natural healing by the body or the placebo effect.

If your "frozen shoulder" is TMS, employing physical methods will only embed in your mind that it's a structural/injury issues. Your "bestie" friend, who does not believe in the psychological, is pretty typical of 99% percent of shrinks who want to ally themselves with the white-coats and treat even psychosomatically caused symptoms with PT, RX or by cutting. I've had what could be dx'ed as "frozen shoulder", ("pinched c6/c7 nerve" by a neuro) on three different occasions and it all went away in due course. I took my shoulder's temperature at the armpit and it was 98.6 far from freezing ;).

One of the best things you can do to sort this out is get an accurate dx by a TMS savvy physician. I assume your down-under and not in the Emerald City with the Tin Man & CO. There are a few TMS practitioners in Australia and you may need to get in a Moke to journey to one, here's the one's listed at this site, these practitioners may know of a TMS doctor, g'luck mate! :


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Mary Bayles, MSW (Therapist)
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Pilot in pain, I think it would be a rare chiropractor who would tell you the frozen shoulder is from something structural.
He or she would want you to keep coming back for more adjustments. I went to one and it was developing into a lifelong visit.

I suggest work on your TMS repressed emotions and personality (if you're a perfectionist and "goodist."

The SEP program covers all that.

It's good to be back in touch with you. Hope the baby is well.
 
I have sore arms and sore buttock en leg. I recognize especially the fear and the focus on pain you had .But maybe everyone with pain has this? One of the most important issues for me at this moment is this: i have read lots of stories at this wiki, mostly successtories. Those stories are incredible and fascinating! All those people healed, sometimes after years. I want to have TMS too. I also have read the theory and the 5 chapters of your (and Walts) book on htis forum. I also think that God does not want me to live like this (pain, fear of making it worse, sorrow and lots of limitations, I can hardly sit).This cannot be Gods goal with my life.
But......... deep in my heart i think my problems are physical and not TMS. I can hardly belief the concept of TMS. How did you do this?
 
Dieuke said:
I have sore arms and sore buttock en leg. I recognize especially the fear and the focus on pain you had .But maybe everyone with pain has this? One of the most important issues for me at this moment is this: i have read lots of stories at this wiki, mostly successtories. Those stories are incredible and fascinating! All those people healed, sometimes after years. I want to have TMS too. I also have read the theory and the 5 chapters of your (and Walts) book on htis forum. I also think that God does not want me to live like this (pain, fear of making it worse, sorrow and lots of limitations, I can hardly sit).This cannot be Gods goal with my life.
But......... deep in my heart i think my problems are physical and not TMS. I can hardly belief the concept of TMS. How did you do this?
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Would you like to chat by phone soon, I can help you understand and believe better that way. I know it's hard to believe, you have been conditioned your whole life to believe if it hurts then it must be physical. We have to have all the evidence and I can help you achieve that goal, bless you.
 
Happy Sunday, Dieuke.

You healed twice before through TMS belief, so you can heal again.

I think you just need to believe harder that it's repressed emotions and not structural.
Maybe go through the Structured Education Program again.

And don't forget prayer. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive."
Be sure you ask for his healing grace.
 
Just to add my .02. Most of my TMS pain has revolved around my right shoulder. Until the day before I left for my appointment with Dr. Schubiner. I "slept wrong" and BANG…TMS in my left shoulder. Just like that. People do NOT develop acute shoulder pain from sleeping wrong. (It almost makes me laugh about how many years I bought into that.)

Yeah, it's still bothering me. But I keep telling it to knock it off and know it will be gone eventually.
 
Walt Oleksy said:
Happy Sunday, Dieuke.

You healed twice before through TMS belief, so you can heal again.

I think you just need to believe harder that it's repressed emotions and not structural.
Maybe go through the Structured Education Program again.

And don't forget prayer. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive."
Be sure you ask for his healing grace.
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Happy sunday Walt (evening here),
Thank you.
I did'nt heal by TMS belief, never heard of it then, I just healed by very slowly building up strength again. This trick alone is not going to work this time. It needs more.
 
And today, monday, I was (18.00 h) and am desperate because sitting makes it worse and worse (terrible pain in the but). I sit only a short period of the day. When I do more its worse the next day. So I am laying on my back now most of the day and that s driving me crazy. A week ago I could still sit for a few hours. I can hardly cope with this any more.

The foto of my face is from a year ago. I want this person back so desperately. She seems to have disappeared.
 
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Eric "Herbie" Watson said:
pilot in pain seems like your onto some thoughts
have you read sarnos works and have a protocol?
be nice to hear from you- I wasn't able to hold my arm up at all
mostly had to let it dangle.
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Hi Eric, new to TMS and have multiple physical issues to contend with including a frozen shoulder, very uplifted by your posts. Feel rather inadequate in comparison as over complicating everything I think and getting over whelmed. Any suggestions?
 
billiewells said:
Massive crisis today no sleeppanic attack all night symptoms huge alone
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billie, I'm sorry to hear this. As people have mentioned elsewhere on the forum, for some there is a need to get additional help from psychotherapy to sort out what's going on, the deeper issues at play. You seem to be suffering to such an extent that this might be a good idea. Is there anyone you can contact? I'm worried about you. We're all here for you, I hope that can be of some comfort.
 
I have just started psychotherapy think that is why this has happened. I'm in Uk therapist in US so have to wait re time difference .... U.K. Is v v poor re TMS trying to sort a friend coming round. Need to calm down
 
When I started with the Unlearn Your Pain program I got my first panic attack in 10 years, so I can relate. I think it was my mind trying to distract me, another symptom for me to focus on. It's a good idea to have your friend over so you're not alone. Try to focus on your breathing and relax into the fear; float through it, don't fight it - fighting it makes it worse. You can handle this, you are strong enough to write to me. You have the control.
 
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