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Chiropractic Adjustment & TMS

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by BruceMC, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. BruceMC

    BruceMC Beloved Grand Eagle

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this chiropractic patient's 4 disk bulges/herniations don't seem to bother him as much as the tension in his muscles and tendons that are creating his posture and pain problems. You'll notice that the standard leg raise test doesn't seem to make him hurt:



    Seems to me is that he has internalized a bunch of tension in his muscles due to TMS. Now, the chiropractic adjustments return his posture to a more normal configuration. The laying on of hands, the warm, joking bedside manner and the air of confidence on the part of the chiropractor himself must elicit the placebo response on the part of the patient. What I don't see here is a follow up to show if the patient returns to his old painful posture a few days after these adjustments. Tennis Tom may have it right when he asserts that a good massage would do just as much as acupuncture or chiropractic sessions.

    IMHO, the patient is suffering from stress induced TMS symptoms. See what you think!

    Wonder what percentage of people who sleep on their sides DON'T have LBP? Is sleeping on your side a blanket catch all that chiros blame their patients' pain on?
     
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  2. BruceMC

    BruceMC Beloved Grand Eagle

    And does anyone notice that 16 year old Abby is an extremely competitive softball player who besides being wicked cute is putting a great deal of pressure on herself as a shortstop?



    Not to say that the chiropractor's adjustments don't provide some temporary relief, but most of her aches and pains seem to be the result of her softball playing. Just look at her BP: 60/90! Nothing too physically wrong with this young lady.
     
  3. BruceMC

    BruceMC Beloved Grand Eagle

    Notice how at the very beginning of this video, how the chiro mentions that the young lady's sacroiliac pain, which has been recurring since 2016, came back shortly after the Houston floods. TMS knowledge would suggest that the floods were a life stress event that triggered this particular recurrence and send her running back to the chiro for an adjustment:



    You'll notice that this particular patient is not only Miss Houston, but Miss Texas as well. This chiro is a lucky dog no doubt!

    If you look at the whole series of chiropractic adjustments on YouTube you'll notice all kinds of other little hints about the true causes of these patients' pain symptoms I think. Take a look at the series and see what you think?
     
  4. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Hi Bruce,

    The amount dollars that TT has spent on chiropractors, acupuncturist, masseurs and many other “off the wall specialists” is amazing, he could have brought a new Ferrari. I wonder if he harbors any anger because of this. I am interested in the psychology that makes each of us very different from each other in our views. Chiros are convincing, nice people, I went one time, he was my neighbor and immediately started talking about regular adjustments and setting up an account. Where is TT lately, I wonder what car he's driving?

    Last August I had hands on PT treatment however, that really helped my neck, basically stretching the muscle further than ever before. I do Yoga and considered this stretch way pass my max. This was my first ever having PT hands touch my body. The visit also had the effect of eliminating the fear associated that something was seriously wrong. Mindbody PT helped at the time.

    A windsurfing professional that I know had his body destroyed going to a chiro. His lung became disabled and in error he got treated for lung cancer. After the max dose of chemo he couldn’t walk three feet. SteveO’s faulty medicine no less. He couldn’t prove anything, but a new doctor asked him suspiciously: “Have you been to a chiropractor lately?’ He had.

    BP 60/90, are you sure? 90/60 is considered the lowest.
     
  5. BruceMC

    BruceMC Beloved Grand Eagle

    Listen to the chiro in the video. He may have had it backwards.

    I think a chiro adjustment or a PT session might "teach" your mind-body about a greater potential range of motion, which is good as far as TMS healing is concerned. But that doesn't really correct the underlying problem of muscle tension generated by the stress response in the brain. Hence, more and more PT and chiro sessions that cost more and more money when what you really gotta do buddy is "chill out"!

    What about all that advice the chiro gives about not sleeping on your side or sleeping on your back with your knees bent and raised up with a pillow? Do you think early homo sapiens slept that way? Seems like advice like that instills in the back pain patient the false belief that there's something physically or structurally wrong with him, thus intensifying and perpetuating the pain syndrome.
     
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  6. Joseph1985

    Joseph1985 Newcomer

    The chiropractor helped me a lot when I had big problems with my vertebrae. I was really happy when I forgot about it.
     
  7. Neil

    Neil New Member

    I had tried Gonstead chiro regarded as the mother of all chiros. It gave me 50% pain relief which lasted for 3 months & a bubblebutt which lasted for 6 months which i enjoyed more than the pain relief.
     
  8. Idearealist

    Idearealist Newcomer

    I think going to a chiropractor is counterproductive.
     
  9. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Bruce, thank you for the great post! I used to have full faith in chiropractors - until I learned about TMS and gained some substantial understanding of my body through practicing yoga and Qi gong.

    I still have my full respect for the chiropractor who saved me from a very painful Morton's neuroma - but that was when I did not know any better and 7 years before I learned about TMS. She pointed out, rightfully so, that the problem with my foot was due to the problem with my gait and imbalance in my skeleton and muscles. What she could not point out (as she was not aware of TMS), was a reason for my muscles to stubbornly go back into misalignment within few days of her adjustment.

    I know now that maniestations of TMS for me include not only pain, but also stiffness and spasms in my muscles throughout the body. Yes, chiropractors provide temporary relief as they help to stretch and release the muscles, but they do not address the root cause. Mainstream medicine and chiropractic with it confuse the cause and effect. The cause is that brain sends a stress signal to the muscles causing them to contract, which results in joints being misaligned and subsequently causing doctors to conclude that the problem is in the misaligned spine. I used to go to a chiropractor monthly. Since I recovered from a very scary outbreak of TMS, I have not been to one, it has been almost 5 years and I am doing OK.

    I would not exclude going to a chiropractor for a temporary relief if I am in severe pain due to the flair up of TMS, but I would never see it as an endgame. It is no more than supportive temporary procedure that makes you feel better but does not solve your fundamental problems. But as far as supporting my body in shape, I prefer yoga as an excellent exercise routine and at the same time a powerful meditation and mindfulness practice. Needless to say, it is much cheaper than chiropractic adjustments.
     
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  10. Joseph1985

    Joseph1985 Newcomer

    I found out about the chiropractors from my friend who had a terrible car crash and he had serious problems with legs. He started to visit a chiropractor and him started to get better.
    About the chiropractic I heard firstly from my closed friend Michael, he had some diseases and visited some courses of chiropractic. He said that after the 4th session he started to feel much better and I decided to go also to aurora-chiropractic.com You won't believe me but now I'm feeling perfect and I forgot about the back pain. Now, I can go easily to the sport gym and don't care."
     

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