satorisecrets
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I've had TMS before, and I thought it was "post-concussion syndrome." That was way back in 2017 or 2018 or so. From around 2018/2019 until 2023, I was pretty much cured and living it up in life. Now I'm going through hell again, but the symptoms are different.
First of all, I've done several physical tests and nothing seems to be wrong with me. Now my primary issues are panic attacks (on a near-daily basis), high anxiety, depression, depersonalization, derealization, dizziness, fatigue, and getting sick often (typically following 2 consecutive days of higher physical activity).
This all slowly came on to me over a year. Just 1-2 years ago I was intensely adventuring and living life, and now I'm at a point where I'm lucky to have 4-5 hours of calmness and enjoyment in a single day. I am severely struggling with the above, and it has gotten progressively worse. I am also under a TON of mental stress, so I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I subconsciously have been burying various issues which is causing various "explosions" of mental health crisis issues like panic attacks (effectively TMS but with more mental symptoms than physical).
I don't know... just wondering if anyone else here is struggling with this or not. I've gotten my blood drawn from what the doctor thought might be off and everything is fine now (previously low on Vitamin D/Iron/B12, but now fine), and my thyroid is fine, and there's nothing obviously physically wrong with me. I slid out on the dirt bike a couple of months ago and got a brain scan (I was wearing a helmet) just in case, and everything was fine.
So at this point it's like, 'shit what the hell is wrong with me?' And I'm turning my head back towards the possibility of this all being TMS.
However, it has all felt SO real, particularly the "getting sick often from over-exertion." Although about that, I'm not sure if that's TMS or if the TMS has caused me to spend more time indoors and NOT exercising and so I'm physically weaker and thus get sick more easily... I was DEFINITELY more fit 4 years ago than I am today. I could do more push-ups and sit-ups in between a run, whereas now I don't even do the run and it is fairly hard for me to do the push-ups, and I don't do the same number of sit-ups before as well.
So besides that, is this TMS guys? I know none of ya'll are doctors, but I'm just wondering, is there anything else I should check out? Due to the panic attacks I even asked the doctor if we should check my Heart, and she was like "yeah your Heart is fine." There's never been an issue with that really, but panic attacks sure feel terrifying around the chest area.
Also, now I'm so deep in it that "not feeling awful" is even a win at this fucking point!!! It's not even like I feel "good" sometimes, though those moments DO come albeit briefly. So identifying triggers is a lot harder. It's not like I'm going from "good" to "bad," I'm alternating between different levels of bad. Maybe I should get a journal and start checking it again.
Anyways, anything else I should check in my blood or body? Or should I go ahead with TMS treatment?
And what about "getting sick often?" I never get worse than a runny nose, dry cough if the runny nose is real bad, and fatigue and headache.. So I'm even beginning to question that. At the same time, THAT strictly follows 2 intense days of physical exertion, so I don't know if that's TMS or not... Back to the original point of that maybe I physically have gotten a ton weaker since developing TMS.
Oh... One final thing. I might have PTSD as well and extremely high stress from that. In 2023, I went through a pretty terrifying situation. Water surge incident in a cave. Basically thought for a few minutes that we were gonna drown to death, and then after a few minutes we realized we weren't gonna drown, but instead maybe be stuck in the cave like those kids in the Thai cave rescue. We managed to self-rescue in the end, but it was incredibly terrifying in every minute and every second, we had to go through a dangerous area where we weren't sure if a water surge was gonna come again and THEN drown us.
Anyways, the first and most terrifying panic attack came about a month after that, maybe less. Does the TMS personality ignore their own trauma and pack it so deeply that you don't even realize you are that traumatized? I mean, I know my experience "was traumatizing," but was it that bad? I wasn't in war or anything. I never killed anyone or watched people die. We all made it out alive. I've been able to tell a legendary story since then. On the other hand, what if it's packed up inside of me, among other stressors, causing panic attacks?
It's almost as if that first intense hour of panic has opened demons inside of me. I've never struggled with panic attacks before. A bit of anxiety, sure, but I could fight through it. But PANIC, the kind where you're like "I'm going to die!!!" I've never felt that so regularly before...
I never cried when I told the story to anyone. I always told it positively and confidently. I don't intend to come across as super brave, but I don't cry in the moment. I say in my voice that I was terrified, because I was, but I don't cry. I'm wondering though- should I?
I'm sorry for the ramble, but this is coming to mind because 2 days ago at a small BBQ I told this story and I actually looked deeper into the faces of people I was telling this story to, and I realized that they were almost filled with panic and horror just in my telling of the story. I'm beginning to wonder if I actually do have PTSD, but my friendly, positive, optimistic spirit has packed up that trauma and repackaged it into a happy hero's story, when in reality I was scared shitless of drowning to death in that fucking nightmare, and what we had to do to self-rescue was equally as terrifying, if not more.
The first panic attack happened on the side of a mountain, as I stood and enjoyed an incredible view. As it is on a mountain, there was a small background sound of the hustle of cars in the distance and the wind in the valley. The wind in the valley sounds like a water surge far away. I completely denied for weeks that it could be a panic attack, and was insistent that it must've been my Vitamin D deficiency or low electrolytes that caused my collapse and inability to breathe and tingling arms and legs and feeling of impending doom. Now I'm beginning to wonder if my subconscious brain heard that drone of the wind, and sent me into a panic.
On that day in that moment, we were helpless. I say that we "self-rescued" but there's no honor in that, we were just fucking lucky, and nothing else. We made a STUPID decision to go into that cave and go into that part of the cave on that day, and disregarded what are now obvious signs. I guess no one ever teaches you the specific signs to look out for in terms of water risk in a cave, such as rocks that are too clean and leaves and whatnot littering the path. Once we were in that area of that cave, it was pure luck that we were able to leave safely. There was nothing specific that we could've done after the situation had started to improve our circumstances. And maybe that's why I've got PTSD. There was no "fight or flight," just panic and wait it out.
But then of course we had to find a way out of the cave, and by luck the way out wasn't flooded (the water flowed out). There are more details, but I guess ya'll get the point. If you read to here, thanks for listening, I'm sorry for rambling.
I'm really beginning to consider that maybe this is just all TMS. That the "fatigue," the dizziness, the anxiety, the depression, all of it is just PTSD packaged in a friendly, optimistic, agree-able guys' way of "not bogging the group down." I don't know if anyone has seen me cry from that day, but I have several times. I also cry because one of my most awesome hobbies feels "ruined." Even in "dry season" where I live, in caves that are verifiably safe due to no rain, my adrenaline is through the roof.
But even in day to day life I feel like I'm living in black and white. I don't know. It feels silly that one day like that could ruin my life like this, and to be fair there are so many other stressors in my life. That's just the big one.
I just want to return to the original question: can all of those symptoms I mentioned be a part of TMS? Can PTSD in the person who has previously had TMS manifest like this?
Thanks everyone, really.
First of all, I've done several physical tests and nothing seems to be wrong with me. Now my primary issues are panic attacks (on a near-daily basis), high anxiety, depression, depersonalization, derealization, dizziness, fatigue, and getting sick often (typically following 2 consecutive days of higher physical activity).
This all slowly came on to me over a year. Just 1-2 years ago I was intensely adventuring and living life, and now I'm at a point where I'm lucky to have 4-5 hours of calmness and enjoyment in a single day. I am severely struggling with the above, and it has gotten progressively worse. I am also under a TON of mental stress, so I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I subconsciously have been burying various issues which is causing various "explosions" of mental health crisis issues like panic attacks (effectively TMS but with more mental symptoms than physical).
I don't know... just wondering if anyone else here is struggling with this or not. I've gotten my blood drawn from what the doctor thought might be off and everything is fine now (previously low on Vitamin D/Iron/B12, but now fine), and my thyroid is fine, and there's nothing obviously physically wrong with me. I slid out on the dirt bike a couple of months ago and got a brain scan (I was wearing a helmet) just in case, and everything was fine.
So at this point it's like, 'shit what the hell is wrong with me?' And I'm turning my head back towards the possibility of this all being TMS.
However, it has all felt SO real, particularly the "getting sick often from over-exertion." Although about that, I'm not sure if that's TMS or if the TMS has caused me to spend more time indoors and NOT exercising and so I'm physically weaker and thus get sick more easily... I was DEFINITELY more fit 4 years ago than I am today. I could do more push-ups and sit-ups in between a run, whereas now I don't even do the run and it is fairly hard for me to do the push-ups, and I don't do the same number of sit-ups before as well.
So besides that, is this TMS guys? I know none of ya'll are doctors, but I'm just wondering, is there anything else I should check out? Due to the panic attacks I even asked the doctor if we should check my Heart, and she was like "yeah your Heart is fine." There's never been an issue with that really, but panic attacks sure feel terrifying around the chest area.
Also, now I'm so deep in it that "not feeling awful" is even a win at this fucking point!!! It's not even like I feel "good" sometimes, though those moments DO come albeit briefly. So identifying triggers is a lot harder. It's not like I'm going from "good" to "bad," I'm alternating between different levels of bad. Maybe I should get a journal and start checking it again.
Anyways, anything else I should check in my blood or body? Or should I go ahead with TMS treatment?
And what about "getting sick often?" I never get worse than a runny nose, dry cough if the runny nose is real bad, and fatigue and headache.. So I'm even beginning to question that. At the same time, THAT strictly follows 2 intense days of physical exertion, so I don't know if that's TMS or not... Back to the original point of that maybe I physically have gotten a ton weaker since developing TMS.
Oh... One final thing. I might have PTSD as well and extremely high stress from that. In 2023, I went through a pretty terrifying situation. Water surge incident in a cave. Basically thought for a few minutes that we were gonna drown to death, and then after a few minutes we realized we weren't gonna drown, but instead maybe be stuck in the cave like those kids in the Thai cave rescue. We managed to self-rescue in the end, but it was incredibly terrifying in every minute and every second, we had to go through a dangerous area where we weren't sure if a water surge was gonna come again and THEN drown us.
Anyways, the first and most terrifying panic attack came about a month after that, maybe less. Does the TMS personality ignore their own trauma and pack it so deeply that you don't even realize you are that traumatized? I mean, I know my experience "was traumatizing," but was it that bad? I wasn't in war or anything. I never killed anyone or watched people die. We all made it out alive. I've been able to tell a legendary story since then. On the other hand, what if it's packed up inside of me, among other stressors, causing panic attacks?
It's almost as if that first intense hour of panic has opened demons inside of me. I've never struggled with panic attacks before. A bit of anxiety, sure, but I could fight through it. But PANIC, the kind where you're like "I'm going to die!!!" I've never felt that so regularly before...
I never cried when I told the story to anyone. I always told it positively and confidently. I don't intend to come across as super brave, but I don't cry in the moment. I say in my voice that I was terrified, because I was, but I don't cry. I'm wondering though- should I?
I'm sorry for the ramble, but this is coming to mind because 2 days ago at a small BBQ I told this story and I actually looked deeper into the faces of people I was telling this story to, and I realized that they were almost filled with panic and horror just in my telling of the story. I'm beginning to wonder if I actually do have PTSD, but my friendly, positive, optimistic spirit has packed up that trauma and repackaged it into a happy hero's story, when in reality I was scared shitless of drowning to death in that fucking nightmare, and what we had to do to self-rescue was equally as terrifying, if not more.
The first panic attack happened on the side of a mountain, as I stood and enjoyed an incredible view. As it is on a mountain, there was a small background sound of the hustle of cars in the distance and the wind in the valley. The wind in the valley sounds like a water surge far away. I completely denied for weeks that it could be a panic attack, and was insistent that it must've been my Vitamin D deficiency or low electrolytes that caused my collapse and inability to breathe and tingling arms and legs and feeling of impending doom. Now I'm beginning to wonder if my subconscious brain heard that drone of the wind, and sent me into a panic.
On that day in that moment, we were helpless. I say that we "self-rescued" but there's no honor in that, we were just fucking lucky, and nothing else. We made a STUPID decision to go into that cave and go into that part of the cave on that day, and disregarded what are now obvious signs. I guess no one ever teaches you the specific signs to look out for in terms of water risk in a cave, such as rocks that are too clean and leaves and whatnot littering the path. Once we were in that area of that cave, it was pure luck that we were able to leave safely. There was nothing specific that we could've done after the situation had started to improve our circumstances. And maybe that's why I've got PTSD. There was no "fight or flight," just panic and wait it out.
But then of course we had to find a way out of the cave, and by luck the way out wasn't flooded (the water flowed out). There are more details, but I guess ya'll get the point. If you read to here, thanks for listening, I'm sorry for rambling.
I'm really beginning to consider that maybe this is just all TMS. That the "fatigue," the dizziness, the anxiety, the depression, all of it is just PTSD packaged in a friendly, optimistic, agree-able guys' way of "not bogging the group down." I don't know if anyone has seen me cry from that day, but I have several times. I also cry because one of my most awesome hobbies feels "ruined." Even in "dry season" where I live, in caves that are verifiably safe due to no rain, my adrenaline is through the roof.
But even in day to day life I feel like I'm living in black and white. I don't know. It feels silly that one day like that could ruin my life like this, and to be fair there are so many other stressors in my life. That's just the big one.
I just want to return to the original question: can all of those symptoms I mentioned be a part of TMS? Can PTSD in the person who has previously had TMS manifest like this?
Thanks everyone, really.