ThatBookBlewMyMind
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Any info/vids on actually what happens to anatomy with TMS? you know with all the oxygen withhold etc, i want exact science thats going on please
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Any info/vids on actually what happens to anatomy with TMS?
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Hello ThatBookThatBlewMyMind,
The range of symptoms created by the mind-body can vary in severity and type.
I believe creating a video, of such would be a life time endeavour because each individual is of different physiology and emotional make up and affected differently.
Unfortunately there isn't any "EXACT" scientific evidence to illustrate how ones pathology changes with TMS . But, there are countless success stories of those who have followed and embodied Dr Sarnos, Dr Schubiners etc concepts and have healed. These success stories speak volumes.
The following is Dr Schubiners explanation of the mind body syndrome:
The forum does have a "research" sub forum which houses some useful information.
http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/forums/research.45/ (Research)
Warm regards,
ThatBookBlewMyMind
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Yeah that video is pretty good thanks, i have much to go on just from that. My theory was i needed to know the exact science behindTMS to heal. Not sure if im over analysising or what?
Yeah it says on the research forum you dont need to know exact science to heal ? why is that i thought knowing the process was very important. Wouldn't knowing it exactly be even better?
Yeah it says on the research forum you dont need to know exact science to heal ? why is that i thought knowing the process was very important. Wouldn't knowing it exactly be even better?
I think as long as you've seen a Dr and ruled out any structural abnormalities, you only need to familiarise yourself with one of Dr Sarnos books. But I wouldn't go as far as to over analyse the concept. Over thinking the process can in fact create new fears and doubt. It's about taking the information and putting it into practice.
"Knowledge therapy" and "belief" in the diagnosis are of huge importance. Some heal from reading the book alone.
Once you've familiarised yourself with the concept, a great starting point would be to work through the Structured Education Programme on this site and look at the various success stories ...
http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/forums/success-stories-subforum.27/ (Success Stories Subforum)
I know this all seems overwhelming, but please be gentle and kind to yourself. The ailment you've developed is the result of years of conditioning so may take a little time to unravel.
I have lots of confidence in you my friend, the fact thay you've found the site brings you one step closer to empowerment and healing.
There are some wonderful people on this forum who will make sure your experience is one of warmth and kindness.
ThatBookBlewMyMind
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I think you are very wise and yes i am working on the structured education program on day 1 today.
Im seeing a TMS specialist on thursday
I've had an MRI and have a tear in annulus with "mild disc bulge" and with "no nerv impingement" so apparently thats nothing to worry about anyway accordign to TMS theory but other theory might say its a little somethign to worry about, not sure really.
Anyway ty
Good luck with your appointment on Thursday.
You're words are very powerful...
"so apparently thats nothing to worry about anyway accordign to TMS theory but other theory might say its a little somethign to worry about, not sure really"
I think one should work towards towards removing "fear", whilst harnessing "acceptance" of the diagnosis. Once you change your relationship with fear, I understand, healing can begin.
Tennis Tom
Beloved Grand Eagle
For some of the science, take a look at the RAHE-HOLMES list of life event stressors that can create TMS /psychosomatic dis-ease :
If you believe psychology is a science, then this should help. The science is, that the primitive part of the brain that houses the sub-conscious, creates TMS symptoms as a defense mechanism. The structural or affective symptoms, are created by the sub-c to distract from emotional issues. It deems these emotional issues often related to interpersonal relationships, more painful, then dealing with structural manifestations. Exhibiting physical symptoms are culturally safer to discuss in public, then sobbing on a street corner or at work, about a relationship break-up for example.
The best thing you're doing is going to see a TMS practitioner. If they are worth their salt, they should be able to answer ALL your questions.
O2 deprivation is one means the TMS gremlin uses, but their is an infinite amount of others that it will use to try to maintain it's hidden control. Dr. Sarno said if he listed them all he wouldn't have time to do anything else, and that the brain is so complex we may never understand it's functioning. The Good Doctor said the "mechanism" creating the TMS symptom does not matter, understanding and accepting the theory is what matters--the origin of the very real pain is psychosomatic.
There are many studies listed in the TMS literature proving TMS/psychosomatic dis-ease, including lab studies in the test tube on a single cell level of nuclei responding to stress. Allopathic medical science rotely chooses to ignore the scientific evidence for TMS because it is currently beyond their scope of comprehension, and it isn't in the best interest of the medical/industrial complex's pocket book, that about 80% of their issues are NOT of structural origin.
In the meantime, the best thing you can do is immerse yourself in the vast number of TMS KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN resources listed here, books, vids, pod casts, etc., and brain-wash yourself of the NOCEBOS ingrained in the collective meme and old wive's tails, that do not take into account, the great influence the sub-conscious mind has on chronic dis-ease disorders.
THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS SCALE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale (Holmes and Rahe stress scale - Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale (Holmes and Rahe stress scale - Wikipedia)
If you believe psychology is a science, then this should help. The science is, that the primitive part of the brain that houses the sub-conscious, creates TMS symptoms as a defense mechanism. The structural or affective symptoms, are created by the sub-c to distract from emotional issues. It deems these emotional issues often related to interpersonal relationships, more painful, then dealing with structural manifestations. Exhibiting physical symptoms are culturally safer to discuss in public, then sobbing on a street corner or at work, about a relationship break-up for example.
The best thing you're doing is going to see a TMS practitioner. If they are worth their salt, they should be able to answer ALL your questions.
O2 deprivation is one means the TMS gremlin uses, but their is an infinite amount of others that it will use to try to maintain it's hidden control. Dr. Sarno said if he listed them all he wouldn't have time to do anything else, and that the brain is so complex we may never understand it's functioning. The Good Doctor said the "mechanism" creating the TMS symptom does not matter, understanding and accepting the theory is what matters--the origin of the very real pain is psychosomatic.
There are many studies listed in the TMS literature proving TMS/psychosomatic dis-ease, including lab studies in the test tube on a single cell level of nuclei responding to stress. Allopathic medical science rotely chooses to ignore the scientific evidence for TMS because it is currently beyond their scope of comprehension, and it isn't in the best interest of the medical/industrial complex's pocket book, that about 80% of their issues are NOT of structural origin.
In the meantime, the best thing you can do is immerse yourself in the vast number of TMS KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN resources listed here, books, vids, pod casts, etc., and brain-wash yourself of the NOCEBOS ingrained in the collective meme and old wive's tails, that do not take into account, the great influence the sub-conscious mind has on chronic dis-ease disorders.
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A very good post, Tom.
Cap'n Spanky
Beloved Grand Eagle
In my personal opinion, the exact science behind TMS is still a mystery and probably will be for a long time. So are many phenomenon regarding the brain. Right now there are only theories. Again, just my opinion.
For me it was just a matter of accepting that the pain originates from my brain and is not due to structural causes. The exact science I will leave to the scientists to debate.
For me it was just a matter of accepting that the pain originates from my brain and is not due to structural causes. The exact science I will leave to the scientists to debate.
ThatBookBlewMyMind
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Can someone give me 1 other example, i actually thought it was all about o2 deprivation up to now hehe. What i have been wondering is should all physical symptoms as a result of TMS in theory be able to be removed "instantly" - like if a muscle/nerv has lost oxygen for a few months it could be sore for a few days even if you are a TMS master and your brain is relxed and "cured"?
Guys appreciate the input, read it over and over, just trying to take it all in.
1 of the reasons my mind is having a hard time fully accpeting TMS is i feel i was injured by a chiropractor originally.... but it just doesn't make much sense, maybe i should post up my story its pretty odd.
Anyway thank you for input
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When the term TMS was coined, it referred to repressed emotions in the unconscious mind causing oxygen deprivation.
However, since Dr Sarnos last book "The Divided Mind", much of the work has evolved. Please note, the forum is now called "The Mind Body Syndrome" which includes, but isn't limited to, oxygen deprivation. SteveO and many others in the field, are atestement to this.
Many of the conditions discussed on the forum tend to be of the unexplained variety, or those where Dr's have failed to give an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis. But one where the individual has endured a psychological event that has changed his or hers physiology. Please see the post by @Tennis Tom earlier.
With regards to your injury, the body is a powerful mechanism with the inate ability to heal. However, sometimes long after the injury has healed, phantom pain may piggyback itself onto the area which has been injured and healed. Usually causing us to doubt if it's a real injury, or one of TMS. A good TMS Dr should be able to alleviate this fear.
Whether your injury is a real one, or one created by TMS, one must look at moving away from rage, fear stress to one which soothes the mind-body. Knowledge, understanding, belief and being present (mindful), all help activate the rage to soothe ratio and can activate ones inner ability to heal.
http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/rage-soothe-ratio.2041/ (Rage/Soothe Ratio)
JanAtheCPA
Beloved Grand Eagle
I haven't read any of the undoubtedly excellent replies here, I'm supposed to be working (tax season!) but the title of your thread really caught my eye. And I think you've already answered your question. The fact is that your version of TMS, whatever it is, will feed on this "need to know" which is just another extension of the perfectionist personality that helps to cause TMS in the first place.
Let it go!
Also, and again, this is my opinion (but let me say, I've had a LOT of recovery success) there is no need to know anything about the anatomy of TMS - because TMS is a function of our brains.
If you want to learn about the power of the brain to control everything in our bodies, look to neuroscience, and ignore anatomy.
Or, as many many people here say (and I think this comes from Monte Hueftle) "Think psychological, not physical". Until you do that, you will be stuck inside the workings of your primitive fearful brain, making your TMS symptoms very happy to stick around.
Good luck,
~Jan
MindBodyPT
Beloved Grand Eagle
Hi there!
Here is how I think of TMS anatomically: it's ALL about neuroplasticity! (I'm a PT with a background in working with patients with neurological disorders and use this concept with them frequently when teaching a new skill.)
Whether there is or isn't mild O2 deprivation is actually irrelevant and not important to TMS healing. What's important is the neural circuits of the brain. It takes TIME for your brain to change its patterns, learn a new way of thinking and behaving and "unlearn your pain" (per Dr. Schubiner). The actual areas of the body that hurt, feel numb, or have other symptoms are just however your brain has learned its pain patterns over time. I definitely do not think all physical symptoms of TMS will be "instantly" removed as neuroplasticity is a gradual process and can take weeks, months etc...our brains are always changing, forming new connections and strengthening frequently used circuits (and weakening infrequently used circuits).
Hope that helps, ask if you have questions...the mechanism of TMS may or may not be O2 deprivation (which can change in an instant via the autonomic nervous system) but what really matters is the learned pain patterns in your brain.