Anyone ever have this experience? So you're doing OK in your daily life de-valuing the TMS strategy and its cleverness. Then a painful twinge or episode will occur in X body part and you end up wondering what its genesis is. If you're anything like me, who's been on the same journey towards relief for over a year, for a long period of time, you get to start wondering if you're just a conventional "chronic pain patient" and this TMS stuff is all hooey. After all, what's distressing about a slow recovery is that it's a slow recovery, am I right? Most of us here, I would wager, can deal with the pain knowing that *someday* it will end. But while you're *in* the pain loop, it's just as permanent as chronic pain is for the population out there who doesn't know/doesn't accept Sarno and for whom chronic pain is a reality, amIright? And so that obsessive part of the TMS mind cleverly "undoes" all the work that we've done up until that point because one chronic pain patient is just the same as another chronic pain patient while the chronic pain is still there, right? It's only when a person "recovers" from TMS that they realize the medical establishment is all wrong about the permanence of chronic pain. When you're in the loop, the realization doesn't do much for ya, does it? Am I correct in thinking that directed mindfulness is the way out of the obsessive loop? It's not easy.