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Why Dr. Sarno is right and why Dr. Hanscom and Dr. Schubiner are wrong.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by BeWell, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. pspa

    pspa Well known member

    You're just assuming your conclusion that that's the mechanism. How do you know? Because Dr. Sarno said so is not an answer, that's circular reasoning.
     
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  2. pspa

    pspa Well known member

    Because I cannot improve on them, I conclude with the eloquent words of the moderator of the original TMS forum, someone who knows as much about this subject as anyone IMO.

    "None of the details of Dr. Sarno's theory really matter. Much of it can be viewed metaphorically. Is there really a "pool of unconscious rage"? Is our brain really trying to "distract" us? Is the mechanism simply "oxygen deprivation"? Who knows.

    Dr. Sarno's theory is something that makes sense to us, something we can relate to, something we can understand. But just as modern medicine is naive to assume that real physical symptoms cannot be caused by psychological factors, it would be naive to assume that Dr. Sarno has all the answers about the TMS process. Humans really have no clue about how the brain works. 99% of it remains a total mystery. The exact mechanisms behind TMS may be far beyond our comprehension.

    The important thing is that we acquire the knowledge to accept that our symptoms are psychogenic, and then the courage to recondition the way we think about them and react to them. Everybody is different; what works for one may not work for someone else.
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  3. ezer

    ezer Well known member

    Let it go BeWell. You won't improve while being fixated on Schechter and his silly infomercial or Hanscom and his spine stories. You are TMSing by doing just that. You are currently using Sarno and the theory as a distraction. Patients focused on the theory don't heal. It really doesn't matter.
    Nobody has all the answers. It is a psychosomatic syndrome. Psyche and Soma (= the body as distinct from the soul, mind, or psyche). Both are involved.
     
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  4. BeWell

    BeWell Well known member

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  5. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    I don't really see a contradiction here. Clearly, your emotional brain circuit generates pain and other symptoms in the physical circuit. Whether you resolve it by focusing on emotions or through other means, you are really working neuroplasticity - the ability of the brain to create new neural paths. So little is still understood by science about this - we should not add these doubts to the burden we already have, which is our own healing.
     
  6. BeWell

    BeWell Well known member

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  7. birdsetfree

    birdsetfree Well known member

    Isn't this a case of cause and effect? The cause being our minds response of physical pain to a stressor and the effect being the subsequent conditioning in the form of neural pain pathways. That's why therapy is a two pronged approach as in addressing the psychological issues and facing fear to overcome conditioned pain.
     
  8. BeWell

    BeWell Well known member

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  9. birdsetfree

    birdsetfree Well known member

    I like the way you are thinking about this. It is mindful thinking that can have a huge impact on overcoming pain and conditioning.
     
  10. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Dr. Sarno said exactly that in his books, that the mechanism of how TMS works is immaterial, the subconscious will come up with new symptoms to try to fool the conscious mind into thinking that the TMS symptom is real. Dr. Sarno said the mind is so complex we may never understand the workings of TMS. He says it doesn't matter, it's only necessary to understand TMS theory, that the symptoms are created by the subconscious as a psychosomatic defense mechanism distraction from facing emotional issues that the sub-c has decided for us are more painful to face head-on then the structural or affective TMS symptom. Dr. Sarno has never said he has all the answers, to the contrary, he says we may never know what the celestial architect, as he termed it had in mind.
     

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