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what should I tell my psychotherapist who doesn't know TMS.

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by IndiMarshall, Aug 17, 2015.

  1. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    I am in the process of setting up sessions with psychotherapist.
    Honestly at this stage am not sure if he is psychiatrist or psychotherapist.
    What is the difference between these two ?
    I don't have any psychotherapists around as far as I know nor the psychologist doesn't know about TMS here in India.

    Should I explain him about TMS and tell him to bring out he repressed emotions with in me ?
    Generally how many sessions does Sarno patients attend? May be it differs from person to person ?
    Is there any template SARNO's psychotherapists use ? (A series of questions I mean)
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2015
  2. Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)

    Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) Beloved Grand Eagle

    I don;t think there is much difference between the pyschos. I'd tell him or her about TMS and see if they know about it and believe in it.
    But don't depend on their approval of it. It's more important that you believe in it.

    Most of those lucky enough to have had a session with Dr. Sarno said they healed after just one visit. Some say they have healed after just
    reading his book.

    A good template of Dr. Sarno's steps toward TMS healing are his 12 Daily Reminders in his book HEALING BACK PAIN.
    One of our TMSwiki community, Eric Watson ("Herbie"), posted his longer version which I will print here.

    Herbie’s Extended Version of Dr. Sarno’s 12 DAILY REMINDERS

    1. The pain is due to TMS. This is real pain or anxiety but its caused by subconscious tensions and triggers, stressors and traits to your reactions and fears and also when at boiling point your conscious tension can and does cause real pain too.
    2. The main reason for the pain is mild oxygen deprivation. This means that when you get in pain or in anxiety then the the blood is restricted from going to your lower back for instance. The blood being restricted causes oxygen deprivation which causes the pain - remember, where theirs no oxygen then there is pain in the body. Also, The pain stays because of fear and focus to physical organic symptoms and repressions.
    3. TMS is a harmless condition caused by my REPRESSED EMOTIONS so even though you think you can harm yourself from the years of pain you have felt and how you feel in general -- so far no reports have been heard from tms healing knowledge causing damage to anyone, it only helps.
    4. The principle emotion is your repressed ANGER -- this means under your consciousness lies something that happens automatically to everyone. Tmsers have repressions that are stored because of our personality traits,traumas, stressors, fears, strain, etc... When these stored repressions build and build then eventually they cause the brain to send pain into your body to keep you from having an emotional crises. The mind-body thinks its helping you.
    5. TMS exists to DISTRACT your attentions from the emotions, stressors, tensions and strains of your personality traits because if you can get distraction then you wont have to be in emotional turmoil. When you don't face and feel your emotions and they get repressed cause you didn't want to deal with something -- they are just adding up in this beaker, ready to pour over and create real pain and anxiety in your body.
    6. Since my body is perfectly normal, there is nothing to fear. So in reality when I fear the pain or anxiety I just cause myself undo strain and tension adding to the beaker of pain. If I fear then I feed the pain, If I fear Its impossible to recondition. Fear keeps the pain and anxiety alive in the body through focus.
    7. Therefore, physical activity is harmless.If I want to work against the pain I could but its better to lose some of the pain so when I start my life over I=t have to be in pain trying to heal cause facing the repressions and all the other activities that cause the pain and reversing my fear and focus to them then I can heal.
    8. I am resuming all normal physical activity. I don't fear moving anymore. I believe in my bodies ability to heal now. I can move how I want. I will not fear moving with a bent back anymore. I will also practice going out and acting normal again, not in fear of what pain might do to me.
    9. The pain is unimportant and powerless. Its only power is how its hidden -- its illusion, Its fear.
    10. I will keep my attention on the emotional issues. I will think about my emotions and feel my emotions throughout the day. I will not judge, criticize or fear my emotions. I will not run from my emotional issues but face everyone of them. I will feel my emotions fully and cry if I need to. Then I will release the emotion and get my mind and thoughts back to my life and living in the present, in flow.
    11. I am in control of all of this. This is how I recover.
    12. I will be thinking PSYCHOLOGICALLY AT ALL TIMES. This means I will keep my thoughts on psychological issues like happiness, fear and anger -- traits and triggers, conditioning and journaling. The science behind mind-body/tms healing, etc.... This way I will not feed my thoughts to the body -- that is a trick of tms. Tms will always try to get me to focus on the body caused by the pain until I break its show and flair. When I get my attention off psychical symptoms and on emotional issues and psychological issues then I will not feed the fear of the physical issues anymore thus making the tms of no effect. This will in return, give us the cure.
  3. Grateful17

    Grateful17 Well known member

    Hello IndiMarshall,

    You can use Skype to connect with a TMS therapist. That way you will be getting very specific help with your Mindbody TMS issues. I am doing weekly sessions with one of Alan Gordons therapists from his group. And it has proven helpful so far.

    The # of sessions someone will require varies from person to person.

    I am not positive about this but I believe that the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist is education. The psychiatrist is a Medical Doctor that specialized and the Psychotherapist has a license to provide therapy sessions.
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  4. David88

    David88 Well known member

    Psychiatrists are MDs who do psychotherapy. They can prescribe medications. A psychotherapist has a masters degree or PhD, is trained in talk therapy, but can't prescribe.

    Look for a psychotherapist. They can be very helpful. Psychiatrists charge exorbitant fees, at least around here, and aren't worth it.

    Sarno worked with psychologist Arlene Feinblatt to develop a treatment especially for TMS, for patients who need more than just information and a 'book cure'. It is called Intensive Short-Term Psycho-dynamic Psychotherapy (ISPDP). I recommend that you read the chapter about it in The Divided Mind. It typically takes from a few months up to two years, and I know from personal experience that it is much more effective than traditional psychotherapy for TMS.

    A therapist who doesn't know anything about TMS probably won't help you much. A minimum, you should bring The Divided Mind to your first session, and insist that the therapist read it. Better would be to Skype with a psychologist who has the proper TMS training. There are several in the practitioner directory on this site.
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  5. Mala

    Mala Well known member

    For issues related to pain I think that a psychotherapist is the one to see.

    It really depends on how you want to proceed with yr therapy. Why don't u have one session with the therapist in India first & see where that goes. If u like the person & u feel that u can work with him/her then maybe in yr next session u can bring TMS up.

    I'm sure talking about repressed emotions will be part of yr therapy anyway.

    Or if its a TMS therapist u want then maybe a skype session with one of the therapists listed here.

    Maybe u could try a couple sessions with both & see which one suits yr needs best.

  6. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Skype a TMS therapist other wise you're probably going to waste your time and money.
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  7. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    I agree with Tom, a part of healing is to accept the diagnosis and to me and many others, this would mean being assured by a qualified professional that you have TMS.

    No disrespect to any other professionals, but they may not be familiar with the process.
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  8. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    Hi ppl, I think you guys are right its important to work with a psycotherapist who has an idea about TMS.
    Can anyone give me the list of pscyotherapists of Eastern Time zone of US. This is the only time zone that will suit me. This is the only timezone that suits me as I am 9 and 1/2 hrs ahead.

    I have to check with Georgie if there are any TMS psycotherapists in UK whom I can connect to Via skype as GMT time zone suits me best.

    Mike, I think I have to mentally accept that I have TMS which I believe I do. I cant get a TMS diagnosis here in India. My friend who recovered from TMS is one of the rare guy in India who knows about TMS. Just a while ago Iwas telling him to become a TMS specialist loll.


    I will once meet a psycotherapist here in my state. He is the head of my state and has all qualifications. I think he should understand this TMS thingy. Generally doctors here are egoists may be around the world too.. :) they dont like to hear from a common man. I will see how it goes. He is presently on a holiday.
  9. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    India is a fantastic place for healing. Even though there may not be a TMS specialist by name, I am pretty sure there are wholistic centres which use exactly the same principles. You just need to dig a little.

    Georgie is great, I'm pretty sure she holds Skype sessions.
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  10. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    A friend translated this clip for me some months ago for another member who is based in India, I don't recall his name...

    Although the clip relates to RA I was informed that once she addressed her issue about feeling angry towards her husband the swelling disappeared.

    You may wish to give her a call and delve a little deeper and establish how much psychological work she does to heal people.


    I would appreciate if you could update your findings with the rest of us, just in case there are other members in India who find this thread.

  11. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    Hi Mike I think it was advertised by that hospital or organization. Her name from the video is Richa.
    I dont think we can find her to speak.
    I will have a look at the video.
    May be I will contact them to see if they can conduct any Therapy sessions via skype as the concept seems much similar to TMS
  12. mike2014

    mike2014 Beloved Grand Eagle

    The second link gives you the contact details for the practitioner. Perhaps you can ask her for testimonials and establish the type of dis-eases she has cured. There's certainly no harm in trying. Good luck.
  13. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

  14. IndiMarshall

    IndiMarshall Well known member

    I met a psychologist here & he is a NLP trainer too.
    He is aware of Dr Sarno and credited him for his good work.
    He is aware of Pysco somatic disorders.

    But he is not aware of TMS. I spoke to him at length and told him how repressed emotions can cause physical disorders. More or less he is aware of Mind body connection but not TMS.

    He does Psychotherapy as well. He is off for a guest lecture and he is back on Thursday. I am planning to do 1 hr sessions from Thursday.

    Interesting thing he told me is Dr Sarno's book will be written to my local language but they are waiting for permission.

    He inspired me with a story of Arunima Sinha who is first female amputee to climb Mount Everest

    This lady lost her leg when she has fallen from a Train and lost her leg. They had to do a immediate surgery to amputate a leg in a village with no anesthesia .


    I think as long as I am going to vent out all my issues I am hoping it will do some help at least.

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