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What according to you is the best way to reach Unconscious mind ?

IndiMarshall

IndiMarshall

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Apart from Journaling through SEP what are the other methods you followed ?

According to Dr Sarno, as long as we are aware of our repressed emotions the TMS pain will gradually go away but for some it doesn't, as the repressed emotions are too too much to get rid of. The higher the anxiety , anger and other repressed feelings recovery will be slow.

I think this is when you need access to Therapist or psychotherapist.

When you don't have access to psychotherapist what is the best method you follow ?
 
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IndiMarshall said:
Apart from Journaling through SEP what are the other methods you followed ?

According to Dr Sarno, as long as we are aware of our repressed emotions the TMS pain will gradually go away but for some it doesn't, as the repressed emotions are too too much to get rid of. The higher the anxiety , anger and other repressed feelings recovery will be slow.

I think this is when you need access to Therapist or psychotherapist.

When you don't have access to psychotherapist what is the best method you follow ?
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There are a couple of ways: when I talk to my brain,I sometimes listen for a response, if there's a hint of anger felt, not to mention sadness,etc. I pay attention to that. BUT, I will never dig deep for repressed emotions! I think some of us take longer than others to heal, it doesn't mean we're doing anything wrong! The other way I listen is by listening to other's stories, sometimes a word can bring up a memory. But, I (for myself) won't bring up a memory, we're not supposed to. Sometimes what we "remember " didn't even happen. I just tell my brain where the bears shits.......
One procedure I'm involved in is ignoring, I acknowledge then ignore as well as I can. Also just talking to people one on one, its therapeutic! If someone's posted something I really like, I contact them.....now sometimes it doesn't work, but sometimes you can get a friendship going......that's another way I do that. Journaling is excellent because you let it ALL out.
 
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IndieMarshall, that's a great question. Maybe one of the therapists here can weigh in.

I'm not a therapist, but I've had a lot of therapy done to me, so I've learned some tricks.

I look for things about myself that don't quite add up, that don't quite make sense. Maybe I'm irate at someone beyond proportion to anything they did. Could I really be angry at something else? Or maybe I'm not angry when I have good reason to be, and I'm afraid to let the anger in.

There are also physical clues. Maybe I just bit my tongue, literally. What was I thinking about just then? Is there something important that I'm afraid to say?

TMS pain itself can be a big clue. Maybe my foot just started hurting for no reason. What is it trying to tell me? Do I want to kick someone? Or maybe run away from something?

It can be like a detective story, where you try to deduce the missing information from clues. What might I be feeling unconsciously that would explain whatever doesn't add up?

Once you start looking for them, there are lots of clues. The trick is not to overdo it. It's easy to get lost and overwhelmed in introspection, at least for me. Do a little bit, and then go do something that takes your mind off your mind, if you know what I mean.
 
I agree with David. Do some journaling to discover repressed emotions, then do something that takes your mind off of your pain or the emotional reasons for it. I think we can over-do it with digging for repressed emotions. I think it it's more important to follow Dr. Sarno's 12 Daily Reminders. And I especially like Herbie's extended versions of them:


  1. The pain is due to TMS. This is real pain or anxiety but its caused by subconscious tensions and triggers, stressors and traits to your reactions and fears and also when at boiling point your conscious tension can and does cause real pain too.
  2. The main reason for the pain is mild oxygen deprivation. This means that when you get in pain or in anxiety then the the blood is restricted from going to your lower back for instance. The blood being restricted causes oxygen deprivation which causes the pain - remember, where theirs no oxygen then there is pain in the body. Also, The pain stays because of fear and focus to physical organic symptoms and repressions.
  3. TMS is a harmless condition caused by my REPRESSED EMOTIONS so even though you think you can harm yourself from the years of pain you have felt and how you feel in general -- so far no reports have been heard from tms healing knowledge causing damage to anyone, it only helps.
  4. The principle emotion is your repressed ANGER -- this means under your consciousness lies something that happens automatically to everyone. Tmsers have repressions that are stored because of our personality traits,traumas, stressors, fears, strain, etc... When these stored repressions build and build then eventually they cause the brain to send pain into your body to keep you from having an emotional crises. The mind-body thinks its helping you.
  5. TMS exists to DISTRACT your attentions from the emotions, stressors, tensions and strains of your personality traits because if you can get distraction then you wont have to be in emotional turmoil. When you don't face and feel your emotions and they get repressed cause you didn't want to deal with something -- they are just adding up in this beaker, ready to pour over and create real pain and anxiety in your body.
  6. Since my body is perfectly normal, there is nothing to fear. So in reality when I fear the pain or anxiety I just cause myself undo strain and tension adding to the beaker of pain. If I fear then I feed the pain, If I fear Its impossible to recondition. Fear keeps the pain and anxiety alive in the body through focus.
  7. Therefore, physical activity is harmless.If I want to work against the pain I could but its better to lose some of the pain so when I start my life over I=t have to be in pain trying to heal cause facing the repressions and all the other activities that cause the pain and reversing my fear and focus to them then I can heal.
  8. I am resuming all normal physical activity. I don't fear moving anymore. I believe in my bodies ability to heal now. I can move how I want. I will not fear moving with a bent back anymore. I will also practice going out and acting normal again, not in fear of what pain might do to me.
  9. The pain is unimportant and powerless. Its only power is how its hidden -- its illusion, Its fear.
  10. I will keep my attention on the emotional issues. I will think about my emotions and feel my emotions throughout the day. I will not judge, criticize or fear my emotions. I will not run from my emotional issues but face everyone of them. I will feel my emotions fully and cry if I need to. Then I will release the emotion and get my mind and thoughts back to my life and living in the present, in flow.
  11. I am in control of all of this. This is how I recover.
  12. I will be thinking PSYCHOLOGICALLY AT ALL TIMES. This means I will keep my thoughts on psychological issues like happiness, fear and anger -- traits and triggers, conditioning and journaling. The science behind mind-body/tms healing, etc.... This way I will not feed my thoughts to the body -- that is a trick of tms. Tms will always try to get me to focus on the body caused by the pain until I break its show and flair. When I get my attention off psychical symptoms and on emotional issues and psychological issues then I will not feed the fear of the physical issues anymore thus making the tms of no effect. This will in return, give us the cure.
 
David88 said:
IndieMarshall, that's a great question. Maybe one of the therapists here can weigh in.

I'm not a therapist, but I've had a lot of therapy done to me, so I've learned some tricks.

I look for things about myself that don't quite add up, that don't quite make sense. Maybe I'm irate at someone beyond proportion to anything they did. Could I really be angry at something else? Or maybe I'm not angry when I have good reason to be, and I'm afraid to let the anger in.

There are also physical clues. Maybe I just bit my tongue, literally. What was I thinking about just then? Is there something important that I'm afraid to say?

TMS pain itself can be a big clue. Maybe my foot just started hurting for no reason. What is it trying to tell me? Do I want to kick someone? Or maybe run away from something?

It can be like a detective story, where you try to deduce the missing information from clues. What might I be feeling unconsciously that would explain whatever doesn't add up?

Once you start looking for them, there are lots of clues. The trick is not to overdo it. It's easy to get lost and overwhelmed in introspection, at least for me. Do a little bit, and then go do something that takes your mind off your mind, if you know what I mean.
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Nice to hear some first hand experience you learnt from Therapists.

I made note of 4 imp points out what you told

1) Could I really be angry at something else? Or
2) Maybe I'm not angry when I have good reason to be, and I'm afraid to let the anger in.
3) Is there something important that I'm afraid to say?
4) The trick is not to overdo it.

Great points! specially the last one !
 
Markus said:
There are a couple of ways: when I talk to my brain,I sometimes listen for a response, if there's a hint of anger felt, not to mention sadness,etc. I pay attention to that. BUT, I will never dig deep for repressed emotions! I think some of us take longer than others to heal, it doesn't mean we're doing anything wrong! The other way I listen is by listening to other's stories, sometimes a word can bring up a memory. But, I (for myself) won't bring up a memory, we're not supposed to. Sometimes what we "remember " didn't even happen. I just tell my brain where the bears shits.......
One procedure I'm involved in is ignoring, I acknowledge then ignore as well as I can. Also just talking to people one on one, its therapeutic! If someone's posted something I really like, I contact them.....now sometimes it doesn't work, but sometimes you can get a friendship going......that's another way I do that. Journaling is excellent because you let it ALL out.
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Thats helpful Markus . Thanks.
 
Walt Oleksy said:
I agree with David. Do some journaling to discover repressed emotions, then do something that takes your mind off of your pain or the emotional reasons for it. I think we can over-do it with digging for repressed emotions. I think it it's more important to follow Dr. Sarno's 12 Daily Reminders. And I especially like Herbie's extended versions of them:


  1. The pain is due to TMS. This is real pain or anxiety but its caused by subconscious tensions and triggers, stressors and traits to your reactions and fears and also when at boiling point your conscious tension can and does cause real pain too.
  2. The main reason for the pain is mild oxygen deprivation. This means that when you get in pain or in anxiety then the the blood is restricted from going to your lower back for instance. The blood being restricted causes oxygen deprivation which causes the pain - remember, where theirs no oxygen then there is pain in the body. Also, The pain stays because of fear and focus to physical organic symptoms and repressions.
  3. TMS is a harmless condition caused by my REPRESSED EMOTIONS so even though you think you can harm yourself from the years of pain you have felt and how you feel in general -- so far no reports have been heard from tms healing knowledge causing damage to anyone, it only helps.
  4. The principle emotion is your repressed ANGER -- this means under your consciousness lies something that happens automatically to everyone. Tmsers have repressions that are stored because of our personality traits,traumas, stressors, fears, strain, etc... When these stored repressions build and build then eventually they cause the brain to send pain into your body to keep you from having an emotional crises. The mind-body thinks its helping you.
  5. TMS exists to DISTRACT your attentions from the emotions, stressors, tensions and strains of your personality traits because if you can get distraction then you wont have to be in emotional turmoil. When you don't face and feel your emotions and they get repressed cause you didn't want to deal with something -- they are just adding up in this beaker, ready to pour over and create real pain and anxiety in your body.
  6. Since my body is perfectly normal, there is nothing to fear. So in reality when I fear the pain or anxiety I just cause myself undo strain and tension adding to the beaker of pain. If I fear then I feed the pain, If I fear Its impossible to recondition. Fear keeps the pain and anxiety alive in the body through focus.
  7. Therefore, physical activity is harmless.If I want to work against the pain I could but its better to lose some of the pain so when I start my life over I=t have to be in pain trying to heal cause facing the repressions and all the other activities that cause the pain and reversing my fear and focus to them then I can heal.
  8. I am resuming all normal physical activity. I don't fear moving anymore. I believe in my bodies ability to heal now. I can move how I want. I will not fear moving with a bent back anymore. I will also practice going out and acting normal again, not in fear of what pain might do to me.
  9. The pain is unimportant and powerless. Its only power is how its hidden -- its illusion, Its fear.
  10. I will keep my attention on the emotional issues. I will think about my emotions and feel my emotions throughout the day. I will not judge, criticize or fear my emotions. I will not run from my emotional issues but face everyone of them. I will feel my emotions fully and cry if I need to. Then I will release the emotion and get my mind and thoughts back to my life and living in the present, in flow.
  11. I am in control of all of this. This is how I recover.
  12. I will be thinking PSYCHOLOGICALLY AT ALL TIMES. This means I will keep my thoughts on psychological issues like happiness, fear and anger -- traits and triggers, conditioning and journaling. The science behind mind-body/tms healing, etc.... This way I will not feed my thoughts to the body -- that is a trick of tms. Tms will always try to get me to focus on the body caused by the pain until I break its show and flair. When I get my attention off psychical symptoms and on emotional issues and psychological issues then I will not feed the fear of the physical issues anymore thus making the tms of no effect. This will in return, give us the cure.
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Voww what a great extension of the those 12 points,.
 
IndiMarshall said:
Apart from Journaling through SEP what are the other methods you followed ?

According to Dr Sarno, as long as we are aware of our repressed emotions the TMS pain will gradually go away but for some it doesn't, as the repressed emotions are too too much to get rid of. The higher the anxiety , anger and other repressed feelings recovery will be slow.

I think this is when you need access to Therapist or psychotherapist.

When you don't have access to psychotherapist what is the best method you follow ?
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U mean a tms therapist?, I found a therapist who is not a tms therapist help me
 
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