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Weird tooth pain

Artictern

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I've been dealing with unexplained tooth pain for years. At one point I concluded that it had to be TMS, since it sometimes switches sides and is both here and there. I feel like it got a lot better the last year, but recently I've got a new nightguard and now I've suddenly pain in yet another area. My dentist checked the nightguard three times and took an Xray of the tooth and everything looks fine. No signs of anything. The guard has equal contact with my teeth, so there shouldnt be any excess pressure. But still... This stresses me out. Especially since I am going on a vacation in two weeks. I want to believe that this also is TMS, but since it started with the new nightguard I have lingering doubts, so I am obsessing over it, which I know is not good. Any good advice?
 
And yes I’ve had various bouts of TMS tooth pain, which is unsurprising due to having severe jaw pain so my brain (and myself!) is hyper focused on the area. I don’t have tooth pain anymore.
 
Why do you think you clench and grind your teeth? Are you taking any internal steps to address this?
I am having a hard time setting boundaries and expressing my anger. I think thats where the teeth grinding comes from. I also have OCD. So there is at times the issue with anxiety. I've been working on the OCD issue over the last year and overall it's gotten better. I think its a similar approach to TMS, where acceptance plays a huge part in it.

I've also tried meditation and breath work. But I've trouble being consistent with it and I easily end up in old patterns. When things get stressful I have a tendency to just push through, with no regards for my well-being. So yeah, I know that I should be kinder to myself. It's like self sabotage sometimes.
 
I am having a hard time setting boundaries and expressing my anger. I think thats where the teeth grinding comes from. I also have OCD. So there is at times the issue with anxiety. I've been working on the OCD issue over the last year and overall it's gotten better. I think its a similar approach to TMS, where acceptance plays a huge part in it.

I've also tried meditation and breath work. But I've trouble being consistent with it and I easily end up in old patterns. When things get stressful I have a tendency to just push through, with no regards for my well-being. So yeah, I know that I should be kinder to myself. It's like self sabotage sometimes.
Sorry for what you’ve gone through and going through.

I’ll share a little about myself because we have similar symptoms so maybe it will help. I started clenching and grinding my teeth in my late teens after dropping out of college a bunch and dealing with depression. Subsequently develop TMj and start dealing with micro jaw dislocations (basically would wake up with my joint out of the socket which was excruciating)- my nervous system, while in a state chronic stress wasn’t really in total disarray so these issues, while awful, didn’t becoming completely chronic. Fast forward a decade and 20 or so dislocations later and I’m now TMS aware and dealing with two severe symptoms (scrotal pain following a vasectomy and GI pain), I wake up one morning after having slept on my fist and completely shove the joint out if the socket when it eventually pops back in after 30-60 seconds. Now my nervous system is shot, I completely obsessed about the pain and have troubles speaking, eating, yawning sneezing for months, I clench and grind my teeth nonstop and at night. This initial injury was not TMS (the brain can’t make the joint dislocate lol) but my reaction and subsequent obsession surely was. This injury, likely healed in a month or two but after 3 months I wasn’t improving much. I went to a dentist who was happy to take 3k from me for an orthotic/dental splint. I wore it for about 4 months before realizing it was fueling obsession, making my clenching worse (the teeth imprint I was leaving on this thing were wild lol). When I stopped wearing it, I was terrified, I thought I’d grind and crack my teeth, and yeah there was grinding and clenching. And there were several months of panic and obsession. But me taking the step was necessary to buying into the TMS diagnosis and accepting that these outside tools were a crutch. I don’t clench or grind my teeth anymore, although I still have bouts of moderate facial tension, my jaw pain is at the lowest level it’s ever been.

im not telling you to stop wearing this nightguard tonight. But you should absolutely keep this in your mind as a goal, because what’s the alternative, wearing some uncomfortable expensive piece of acrylic indefinitely? And it sounds like you’re still clenching and grinding through it. These things become crutches that simultaneously tell our brain that there is a physical issues, not a psychological one.

you clearly recognize the patterns fueling your dysfunction.. We need to catch ourselves and really examine how we’re treating ourselves. Because it sounds like you’re treating yourself pretty poorly and not prioritizing your well being. Meditation, specifically non guided spiritual based meditation did more for me regarding these jaw issues than any other TMS skill or tool. But you need to dedicate the time and commit to doing it. Your situation is not going to change passively.

how much faith do you have that what you’re dealing with is TMS?
 
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I totally get how that feels. It`s one of the reasons why I havn`t ditched the mouthguard completely. I am scared that I crack a tooth or something.
I never thought of the mouthguard as a permanent solution though. In my head I thought that maybe I could wear it until I figure this whole thing out.
Like how to deal with the stress, anger and anxiety. But then life just goes on. I also have a hard time regocnizing when to take a break or when to prioritize myself.
I feel like I always have to hold it together. And it feels like a personal disappointment not getting things done or the right way (even when there really is no right way).
Usually I regognize far to late when I am stressed. My body usually tells me way before my concious that I should slow down. I mean it got somewhat better the last couple of years.
The "funny" thing is that when I have less pain episodes, my OCD often spikes. Its like my brain needs something to occupy itself with. And thats really frustrating sometimes.

I am pretty sure the overall thing is TMS, since I`ve had various symptoms over time, without any cause really.
According to doctors and dentists there isnt really anything wrong. Even this time the dentist couldn`t really pinpoint the cause.
So yeah, I do believe its TMS, but there is still some doubt and since Ive OCD, its probably no suprise that I am prone to obsessing over things. Maybe this is just another thing Ive to accept and to move on.

Also I slept a couple of weeks without a mouthguard, before I got a new one and its wasn`t the worst experience. I still had tooth sensitivity and muscle pain, but at the moment the tooth pain is way worse.
 
I totally get how that feels. It`s one of the reasons why I havn`t ditched the mouthguard completely. I am scared that I crack a tooth or something.
I never thought of the mouthguard as a permanent solution though. In my head I thought that maybe I could wear it until I figure this whole thing out.
Like how to deal with the stress, anger and anxiety. But then life just goes on. I also have a hard time regocnizing when to take a break or when to prioritize myself.
I feel like I always have to hold it together. And it feels like a personal disappointment not getting things done or the right way (even when there really is no right way).
Usually I regognize far to late when I am stressed. My body usually tells me way before my concious that I should slow down. I mean it got somewhat better the last couple of years.
The "funny" thing is that when I have less pain episodes, my OCD often spikes. Its like my brain needs something to occupy itself with. And thats really frustrating sometimes.

I am pretty sure the overall thing is TMS, since I`ve had various symptoms over time, without any cause really.
According to doctors and dentists there isnt really anything wrong. Even this time the dentist couldn`t really pinpoint the cause.
So yeah, I do believe its TMS, but there is still some doubt and since Ive OCD, its probably no suprise that I am prone to obsessing over things. Maybe this is just another thing Ive to accept and to move on.

Also I slept a couple of weeks without a mouthguard, before I got a new one and its wasn`t the worst experience. I still had tooth sensitivity and muscle pain, but at the moment the tooth pain is way worse.
I’d do a TMS program if you haven’t, the structured educational program is a good place to start. I’d also make it a priority to get a plan going to reduce use of the mouth guard and eventually stop using it.
 
I never thought of the mouthguard as a permanent solution though. In my head I thought that maybe I could wear it until I figure this whole thing out.
Like how to deal with the stress, anger and anxiety. But then life just goes on. I also have a hard time regocnizing when to take a break or when to prioritize myself.

That makes sense but now it seems as if the mouthguard is having a negative impact on your belief.

Also I slept a couple of weeks without a mouthguard, before I got a new one and its wasn`t the worst experience. I still had tooth sensitivity and muscle pain, but at the moment the tooth pain is way worse.

That's great! Also, whilst they know nothing about TMS - dentists are experts in what they do (finding structural causes), so if they can't find anything I would take it and run, there's no better evidence of TMS than that.

I agree with @Rabscuttle on next steps too and he explained it very well :)
 
Tooth pain is one of my common TMS symptoms. It turns out there are muscles and nerves that run through the gums that can really flare up.
I had a bad tooth pain a few years ago and the dentist couldn't find anything wrong. I was shocked and thought he was a quack. And then the pain went away.
Just very, recently I had the pain again. I had picked at some stained areas on my teeth wondering if I should try to whiten them or something before a social event that I was contemplating going to. Right after that they got sore and I thought, crap, the stains must be decay, blah, blah, blah. It was only after a week or two that it dawned on me that I was also nervous about the social event. I did a little "TMS work" on that subject and in another week the pain stopped. I was pretty surprised as I thought this time it must be the teeth.

So yes, definitely teeth can be a TMS pain point.
 
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