Chat log:
15:02:40 Becca Just making sure - is everyone in this chat connected to Fuze meeting?
15:03:08 Pranav Yes but this interface is better.
15:03:43 Becca we are not using the meeting chat in fuze meeting- just using it for the audio
15:04:53 Pranav I am connected via skype
15:06:58 Becca We're now live with Alan Gordon, LCSW!
15:07:08 guest977 Hi
15:17:06 Becca Can anyone relate to what Alex and Alan are talking about?
15:17:38 Forest I can. I went through some tough things in my childhood, and I felt like I wasn't feeling anything.
15:17:52 Forest I still struggle with that still.
15:18:20 guest977 A little. Subconscious rage is what he can't feel but is there
15:19:11 Forest mmm....
15:24:33 Forest FYI, everyone, periodically it may say something like "guestxyz quit (timeout)." This just happens and you can ignore it.
15:25:09 yb44 I was always being sent to my room if I wasn't feeling happy and told to stay there until I was feeling better
15:25:35 yb44 Talk about repression
15:25:45 Forest
15:26:48 Forest One thing I feel very lucky about is that my parents were very accepting of emotions. My own repression comes from defense mechanisms, not parental pressure.
15:27:17 yb44 Hi Brandon, welcome
15:27:44 Forest By the way, I just want to remind people that this conversation will be publicly archived, so choose a good pseudonym! If you want me to change your pseudonym, just let me know. You can contact me through the forum. If you want to be super sure that it gets through, you can mention it here.
15:29:12 Becca Don't know about you all but that was incredibly relaxing. I think we all need to remember to breathe.
15:29:15 Melanie Forest, will the audio with Alan Gordon also be able to be heard in the future?:
15:29:30 Forest Yes, just like last time.
15:29:42 Melanie Great, thank you so much.
15:29:46 Forest Perhaps we can make a little MP3 of that relaxation segment.
15:29:56 Becca Forest, great idea.
15:31:14 Becca Welcome guest154 and guest203 - if you want you can customize your screenname by clicking on your username next to where you type messages
15:32:32 Forest If anyone else noticed it, feel free to mention it here.
15:32:36 Forest Welcome, Dustin!
15:32:44 Dustin Thanks, Forest!
15:32:46 Forest Dustin, right?
15:32:53 Forest It's nice to see familiar names
15:33:35 yb44 Hi Dustin!
15:34:07 Dustin sorry, was trying to catch up on the chat so far lol
15:34:23 Forest LOL
15:34:25 Dustin and Hi yb44!
15:34:44 Brandon I read 2 books from Sarno and have been pain free for a month but I had surgery on a torn shoulder ligament from a bike crash and I am starting to worry about a little back pain. Almost a little doubt...any suggestions?
15:35:21 Dustin I came in right at the end of the relaxation bit I think
15:35:52 Becca Brandon, are you connected to the fuze meeting webinar with Alan Gordon? It's going on now.
15:37:08 Forest Brandon, how did you connect? Via phone?
15:39:25 Becca Has anyone else experienced difficulty opening up to a therapist?
15:39:41 Becca Or had difficulty feeling safe around a therapist?
15:40:35 Forest
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Breaking_the_Pain_Cycle,_by_Alan_Gordon_LCSW
15:41:31 Dustin I haven't been to a therapist yet for TMS. I've been to a counselor in the past for depression, but haven't seen anyone for TMS yet.
15:41:49 Forest Dustin, can you hear Alan talking right now?
15:41:55 Forest (Just want to be sure)
15:42:00 Dustin yes
15:42:08 Forest Awesome.
15:42:46 Forest Oops. I was being dumb and mixed you up with Brendan.
15:43:15 Dustin I can try to pretend to be Brandon...but I don't think I could do a very good impression since I don't know him
15:45:55 Becca Welcome Boats! Are you connected to Fuze Meeting?
15:46:25 Boats Yes
15:46:44 Becca Great!
15:47:11 guest331 is fuze a chat board too?
15:47:50 Becca No - we are using Fuze only for the audio so please use this chat as a way to discuss and ask any questions
15:48:49 Becca guest331, if you want you can customize your screenname by clicking on the username next to where you type messages.
15:49:42 Dustin what engine runs this chat room? Will it work on iDevices?
15:50:04 guest331 will this be posted like the last one?
15:50:09 Forest I used it on my iphone one time, I think, but I don't think it worked perfectly.
15:50:11 Forest Yes.
15:50:59 Forest He's talking about HilaryN!
http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/members/hilaryn.67/
15:51:02 Becca guest331, You can use a pseudonym or simply choose not to customize your screenname - just wanted to let you know
15:51:26 Forest She's pretty cool and was one of the first members of the Peer Network.
15:51:46 Dustin I'm going to try this from my iPad...that's where I'm using Skype...it it doesn't work well, I'll come back here.
15:51:51 Becca ok
15:52:00 Forest Cool. Did you want to ask Alan a Q?
15:52:56 Brandon I was listening to the audio but wanted to talk to others with the same things as me. I don't want to hear all the stories?
15:53:14 Forest What do you mean, Brandon?
15:53:29 Forest Are you listening now, Brandon?
15:53:44 Alex is the bleeping coming through pranav's speakers?
15:54:02 Forest I think so, Alex.
15:54:06 Brandon It was some guy from India talking about pain in his wrist and I have never had that.
15:54:57 Forest Ahhh, what I find is that while symptoms may be different for different people, the mechanism behind it (TMS) is the same for different people.
15:55:00 Brandon I have had back and most recently neck pain.
15:55:30 Forest Hence, even though I've never had back pain, I find it really helpful to listen to people with back pain and hear the feedback that they get.
15:56:17 Forest It's really important to focus on the emotions (think physically) rather than their specific symptoms (thinking emotionally). That's the same with everyone.
15:56:31 Brandon I had back pain for 2 years...read 2 books and have felt so great. Now I have pain in my neck and since not really ever getting checked out for my neck I am not as confident in the diagnosis that nothing is physically wrong
15:56:55 Forest However, if you want to read specifically about TMS back pain stories, read this:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Back_Pain
15:57:24 Forest For neck pain TMS success stories, read this:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Neck_Pain
15:57:36 Forest Other symptoms can be found here:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Success_Stories_by_Symptoms_&_Diagnoses
15:58:30 Brandon I had surgery recently on my shoulder and haven't been able to get back to playing basketball and riding my bike which has hurt my belief in the fact that this is working
15:59:25 Forest Brandon, would you like feedback directly from Alan? Then he could talk about your situation.
15:59:44 Forest Otherwise other people can give you feedback after Alan hangs up.
15:59:53 Alex seems his perfectionism is keeping his pain around
16:00:03 Forest Interesting...
16:00:06 Forest LOL
16:00:09 JanA OMG, what Alan just told Pranav is awesome
16:00:21 JanA And totally speaks tome
16:00:26 JanA to me
16:00:35 Becca Agreed! "optimize your happiness" is such a great line
16:00:42 Dustin Something tells me it speaks to many ofus
16:00:45 Forest So very true. To be honest, that's where I'm at. My symptoms are really low and that's exactly what I do.
16:00:58 JanA Brandon, listening to Alan work with the volunteer "guests" is relevant to anyone with TMs
16:01:12 JanA with TMS, we ALL have the same symptoms, no matter what they are
16:01:58 JanA I've never had wrist pain, but I just received a HUGE gift from hearing Alan work with Pranav
16:02:07 Forest WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO GO NEXT?
16:02:20 Forest NOW OR NEVER?
16:02:29 Dustin I suppose I could
16:02:34 Forest awesome!
16:02:40 JanA go for it dustin
16:03:49 Forest Would you like to be known as Dustin
16:04:01 Dustin Dustin is fine
16:08:55 Becca If you have a question for Alan but you can't call in, or don't feel comfortable calling in, feel free to type it here and I can relay it to Alan.
16:09:50 Forest (Things go much better when you call in, because then Alan can hear your voice (super important), but typing questions in here definitely is an option.
16:12:33 yb44 How great that Dustin recognises the reason for his daughter's crying. She has the chance to grow up with a dad who will listen to and understand her.
16:18:00 Pranav I can relate to the phrase murderous rage. <grin
16:18:08 Forest LOL
16:18:35 Forest Whoah... did he just call The Incredible Hulk a terrible movie?
16:18:38 Forest Not cool.
16:18:47 Forest (Joke... Never seen it) l
16:28:46 Pranav good night all. I'll catch the rest on the recording.
16:29:26 Forest good night.
16:29:39 Becca Thanks Pranav
16:30:27 yb44 Thanks, Pranav
16:30:41 Forest Yes, Pranav, thank you for sharing.
16:37:27 Forest Alan is using a therapeutic technique called ISTDP. Arlene Feinblatt, , about whom Dr. Sarno wrote, "In particular I am grateful to Arlene Feinblatt, the chief psychologist of our group, for her contribution to the understanding of the psychological basis for TMS."
16:38:05 Forest She told me that she has been incredibly influenced by ISTDP and contributed the following to the TMS Wiki:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Intensive_Short_Term_Dynamic_Psychotherapy
16:38:40 Forest There are ISTDP therapists in many cities and they can get strong results in short time periods. They can heal us.
16:39:45 Becca Also -
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Seven_articles_about_ISTDP_and_Medically_Unexplained_Symptoms
16:40:44 Forest Howard Schubiner wrote about ISTDP in the second edition of his book, Unlearn Your Pain. His approach to treating TMS was transformed about a year ago when he discovered Alan Abbass, who wrote the articles reviewed in the above link.
16:41:34 Becca Welcome BWS
16:41:52 Forest BWS, you can join the audio conference at
https://www.fuzemeeting.com/fuze/48fb7aa8/16939390
16:42:01 BWS Hello...listening on my IPad and chatting my my computer
16:42:07 Forest great
16:42:31 BWS Is there some trick to him hearing me or can he only hear certain people at once?
16:42:38 Alex schubiner's approach is different now?
16:42:54 Forest Only Dustin and Alan can speak on the line right now.
16:43:17 BWS Can he hear me from my iPad if I need to speak?
16:44:22 Forest Sure, but I don't know if Alan has time to take another question.
16:44:41 BWS sorry, first time
16:44:43 Forest If not, we have these ever 6 weeks, and we could line you up for next time.
16:44:45 Forest
16:45:55 Becca BWS, no worries!
16:46:08 Becca Were you only just tuning in now?
16:46:31 BWS K cool, now that I have read these books I see that my TMS goes back to college. It just manifested as pain in the last few years. It was anxiety before. The funny thing is now that I have gotten rid of the pain, my anxiety has returned
16:46:57 BWS listening on and off for a little. since 4 or so
16:48:03 Forest Alex, yes, about a year ago, after talking with Arlene Feinblatt and finding out about ISTDP, I wrote the following article for a newsletter that the PPD/TMS Peer Network publishes.
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Seven_articles_about_ISTDP_and_Medically_Unexplained_Symptoms Around the same time, Allan Abbass emailed me to say that Howard had contacted him. It really changed his approach.
16:48:27 Alex ill have to read more about it
16:48:36 Becca Thank you SO much for being so open and honest, Dustin.
16:49:42 Dustin Yeah, it was a little hard to want to admit that stuff with so many listeners...
16:50:12 Alex thanks alan and forest for this
16:50:14 Alex really appreciate it
16:50:17 Becca I can't even imagine. It took a lot of courage. Very admirable
16:50:26 Dustin Thank you to the organizers!
16:50:50 Debra Thank you Alan! Very inspiring.
16:50:54 Dustin What does ISTDP stand for?
16:51:10 Alex i think intensive short term dynamic psychotherapy
16:51:12 Becca Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy
16:52:12 Dustin Ah ok
16:52:41 Becca BWS - looks like the webinar is wrapping up. But you can always ask a question or discuss things among other TMSers and practitioners on our forum (
www.tmswiki.org/forum)
16:53:02 Becca Alan's been known to post there.
16:54:47 Debra We were ready!
16:55:09 Becca
16:57:06 Dustin I gotta jet...trying to still listen, but my wife needs help with the kids now...thanks again for letting me participate...I have a new technique to work with now.
16:57:20 Becca Thank you so much agian
16:57:44 Dustin Time to be Bruce Banner again...no more Incredible Hulk.
16:57:58 Becca haha
16:58:24 BWS Can you ask why my pain has turned into anxiety
16:59:56 Debra Good question!
17:00:34 BWS I am on an iPad 1
17:00:40 BWS no skype
17:00:47 Forest How do you hear Alan?
17:00:53 Forest Via iPad or phone?
17:01:03 BWS u ipad
17:01:16 BWS want my #?
17:01:26 Forest Are you Brandon?
17:01:31 BWS yes
17:01:54 Forest I just unmuted you
17:07:04 Alex you got a ton of time to think about it
17:09:35 yb44 Must go. Husband wants his computer back.
Have taken lots of notes. Thanks to all.
17:09:46 Becca Thanks so much YP
17:09:49 Becca *YB
17:12:17 Alex brandon you sound like me
17:13:59 Alex i have to head out will have to listen to the end of this later on when its on the forum. thanks again guys for setting this up
17:14:08 Becca Thanks so much for participating Alex
17:14:16 Alex thanks for having me i appreciate it
17:14:23 Forest Thanks a lot for sharing.
17:14:30 Alex see you guys on the forum
17:14:38 Forest See you on the forum!
17:25:47 Becca Great way to wrap this up! Thanks so much Brandon for participating
17:26:40 Becca We will get the chat log and audio up on the forum soon
17:29:58 JanA Hi Becca - I was listening while baking cupcakes for a birthday party, that was a GREAT session - every single person Alan worked with had something for me personally.
17:30:04 JanA See you later!
