TMS after Surgery?

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Slammer

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This will be the first time I have posted anything. I have had fusion surgery 7 years ago that became a failure. A few months ago I developed bad symptoms and an orthopedist did another fusion surgery.
I have read most of Sarno’s books but had problems believing much of it. Now I wish I had followed his advice years ago. I do have clues that I have TMS , but I can’t prove it in my own mind. I have tried everything he has recommended but see little change in symptoms.
Some of my symptoms are strange with pain and stiffness occurring most of the time.
Does anyone have experience of having surgery and then followed with possibly TMS.
 
I had Hip Surgery in 2018. Following the PT process (lengthy), I kept running into the same symptoms as I ramped up my activity level. Each time I got to a certain point all the symptoms would flare up again. Finally I got sick and tired of that and found Sarno's books and have been pain free in that area every since.

You have to remove the DOUBT. If it helps, make a list of pros-cons of how it's TMS and not structural. Some pros I experienced were:

- Other hip had the same 'abnormalities' but no pain
- Pain moves around
- Good days and bad days - if it were structural they would ALL be bad days
- Pain went away when I began experimenting with TMS therapy (even if it came back)
 
Mr Hip Guy said:
I had Hip Surgery in 2018. Following the PT process (lengthy), I kept running into the same symptoms as I ramped up my activity level. Each time I got to a certain point all the symptoms would flare up again. Finally I got sick and tired of that and found Sarno's books and have been pain free in that area every since.

You have to remove the DOUBT. If it helps, make a list of pros-cons of how it's TMS and not structural. Some pros I experienced were:

- Other hip had the same 'abnormalities' but no pain
- Pain moves around
- Good days and bad days - if it were structural they would ALL be bad days
- Pain went away when I began experimenting with TMS therapy (even if it came back)
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The odd thing is that the pain is well below the surgery area in the spine. There is no pain at the point of surgery. The pain is mostly in the buttocks and it does move around. Maybe that is proof that it is TMS.
 
Surgery probably has nothing to do with it then other than the fact your TMS knows you think you have that part "fixed" so it's fishing at another spot to see if it can get your attention.

Look at all the established Sarno clues and see if signs point to it being TMS. You said glutes so be aware that "piriformis syndrome" is a TMS equivalent in Sarno's book.
 
Thanks. It has definitely got my attention. It plain hurts right where the piriformis crosses the sciatic nerve. I didn’t know it was a TMS equivalent. I assumed it was the sciatic nerve that hurt. I know that Sarno’s gave little attention to the sciatic nerve, almost dismissing it. Those items explain a lot of the pain in the buttocks where he says 67% of the pain occurs.
 
Consulting a TMS experienced physician who can review your medical history might help you with doubt, and ease your mind.
Dr.Hanscom is a TMS specialist and retired back surgeon. His book Back In Control tells his story and explains why he chose to help people recover from pain without surgery, and help those who have had it and still have pain. He finds many skeptical patients also deny Sarno, and the fact they may have anger and rage they can not access or realize. (there are other tms Doctors too).
Why not start with trying to reduce your fear, and relax your mind and see if that helps soften your resistance. You have nothing to loose trying it.
 
Slammer said:
This will be the first time I have posted anything. I have had fusion surgery 7 years ago that became a failure. A few months ago I developed bad symptoms and an orthopedist did another fusion surgery.
I have read most of Sarno’s books but had problems believing much of it. Now I wish I had followed his advice years ago. I do have clues that I have TMS , but I can’t prove it in my own mind. I have tried everything he has recommended but see little change in symptoms.
Some of my symptoms are strange with pain and stiffness occurring most of the time.
Does anyone have experience of having surgery and then followed with possibly TMS.
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Hey. I just recently had a microdiscectomy that did nothing but make symptoms worse than before. I regret having the surgery. I think I actually herniated other discs during recovery but I refuse to do another operation. Of course I found Sarno after my surgery. I’m hoping to overcome this nightmare as I do fit the TMS personality to a T . Since I’ve followed Sarno I have shown improvements although my hips/groin is killing me lately. Thinking I have hip arthritis. I want to believe Sarno but part of me thinks the damage was done already with surgery, like I discovered him too late. (Maybe I need to get over that fact and start thinking that I can recover)You’ve had two failed operations, have you found some success though with Sarno way? Please keep in touch.
 
Feeling post-surgery that the procedure "damaged something" or made things worse is very common with TMS. The mind hones in on the idea that you're no longer working with "original equipment" and that is therefore "bad." All of which leads to catastrophic thinking, a hallmark of TMS. Try to keep that in mind next time these thoughts invade.
 
cammb33 said:
Hey. I just recently had a microdiscectomy that did nothing but make symptoms worse than before. I regret having the surgery. I think I actually herniated other discs during recovery but I refuse to do another operation. Of course I found Sarno after my surgery. I’m hoping to overcome this nightmare as I do fit the TMS personality to a T . Since I’ve followed Sarno I have shown improvements although my hips/groin is killing me lately. Thinking I have hip arthritis. I want to believe Sarno but part of me thinks the damage was done already with surgery, like I discovered him too late. (Maybe I need to get over that fact and start thinking that I can recover)You’ve had two failed operations, have you found some success though with Sarno way? Please keep in touch.
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Hello cammb 33. Good to hear from someone else who had two surgeries. It sounds as though the surgery route is not very good. I don’t know that my second surgery is a failure. It certainly feels like it. I regret having my first one, it was a failure and I didn’t even know it. As I said before I don’t know if I have TMS and it may be some of both. Hope you found a solution to your problem. Talk with you later?
 
Mr Hip Guy said:
I had Hip Surgery in 2018. Following the PT process (lengthy), I kept running into the same symptoms as I ramped up my activity level. Each time I got to a certain point all the symptoms would flare up again. Finally I got sick and tired of that and found Sarno's books and have been pain free in that area every since.

You have to remove the DOUBT. If it helps, make a list of pros-cons of how it's TMS and not structural. Some pros I experienced were:

- Other hip had the same 'abnormalities' but no pain
- Pain moves around
- Good days and bad days - if it were structural they would ALL be bad days
- Pain went away when I began experimenting with TMS therapy (even if it came back)
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What were you diagnosed with to lead to the hip surgery? Currently I’m having horrible groin pain having trouble putting socks on . I think I could have hip arthritis.
 
I had spinal surgery L 3-L5, first was L4-L5 7or 8 years ago. I too have some groin pain. I can trace the nerve causing it coming all the way up to the external sciatic notch. Buttock pain does move around too. It is all weird but not nice as Sarno would say.
Everyone has some arthritis on the hip joint, but if it’s trading places with the other joint, then it sounds like Tms. But the pain is real.
 
cammb33 said:
What were you diagnosed with to lead to the hip surgery?
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Torn labrum due to Femoral Acetabular Impingement (FAI). The surgery is ghastly, essentially they pull your hip apart, then go in and grind the bones down and (in my case) stitch the torn-labrum back into place. The imagery of all that seriously fed my TMS in all the wrong ways.
 
Mr Hip Guy said:
Torn labrum due to Femoral Acetabular Impingement (FAI). The surgery is ghastly, essentially they pull your hip apart, then go in and grind the bones down and (in my case) stitch the torn-labrum back into place. The imagery of all that seriously fed my TMS in all the wrong ways.
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I can’t begin to imagine what the surgery is like. But you could not see it being done since you are under sedation, and TMS is you or your subconscious. It is your conscious mind that imanges what goes on. That appears to feed your subconscious with what may be innacurate info. But you say you used Sarno’s ideas and got rid of the pain that’s interesting.
 
Slammer said:
I had spinal surgery L 3-L5, first was L4-L5 7or 8 years ago. I too have some groin pain. I can trace the nerve causing it coming all the way up to the external sciatic notch. Buttock pain does move around too. It is all weird but not nice as Sarno would say.
Everyone has some arthritis on the hip joint, but if it’s trading places with the other joint, then it sounds like Tms. But the pain is real.
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What does Sarno say about arthr
Mr Hip Guy said:
Correct. I believe the surgery did nothing to help and it was TMS all along.
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Mr Hip Guy said:
I had Hip Surgery in 2018. Following the PT process (lengthy), I kept running into the same symptoms as I ramped up my activity level. Each time I got to a certain point all the symptoms would flare up again. Finally I got sick and tired of that and found Sarno's books and have been pain free in that area every since.

You have to remove the DOUBT. If it helps, make a list of pros-cons of how it's TMS and not structural. Some pros I experienced were:

- Other hip had the same 'abnormalities' but no pain
- Pain moves around
- Good days and bad days - if it were structural they would ALL be bad days
- Pain went away when I began experimenting with TMS therapy (even if it came back)
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I have tears in both hip labrums been in a ton of pain lately. I really don’t want surgery, are you saying you wouldn’t recommend it? Sarno methods have seem to help me with other things, hoping it can help me with this as well.
 
Correct, similar to spinal "normal abnormalities" many people are walking around with torn labrums and have no symptoms at all. There was a study done some years ago and a high number of cadavers were examined and shown to have torn labrums (and torn rotator cuffs in the shoulder where another labrum resides) and none had noted any previous injury/pain prior to their death. (or after, ha ha)
 
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