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the exhaustion

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by Mark1122, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. Mark1122

    Mark1122 Well known member


    So i dont even want to begin about all my symptoms, even my heart struggles is something i can accept as being TMS. But the exhaustion is just too much. Has anyone experienced this when his/her pain worsened with doing activity (for me everything with pc/mobile etc). I started working behind the pc again with of course pain, stomach bloating and heart flutters getting worse. Fine i think but the exhaustion that gets worse everyday is insane. I slept 12 hours and after 1 hour i sept another 2 hours and now 1 hour later i need to sleep again. And im vague in my head 24/7.

    I know your body will cause you to fatigue wanting you to rest when it (thinks) its damaged right? but i never hear anyone about this, only people talk about pain. But for me the exhaustion might be worse and i do have a lot of pain but being so tired and fogged in the head is awful.

    Does this mean that maybe my problem is really some structural body problem and my body is warning me with heart flutters and extreme fatigue? So far i've had an EMG, EKG, MRI and visited multiple experts. But i guess working and gaming 12-14 hours a day cant be healthy.

    I have seen some threads about tiredness but they all said they got it when the pain disappeared, making it a new symptom because the old one went away. But with me its all super logical, i pc too much get more pain everyday, heart starts to have troubles and i get more tired everyday. Seems logical.

    I think we might call it CFS? Because this includes palpitations, flutters, exhaustion and tendon pain right?
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2020
  2. Mark1122

    Mark1122 Well known member

    BTW i came across something, al those pages are really positive for me, but this one page gets stuck because its telling about physical ailment. And i do have alot of physical pain so this might be an ailment.. xD The point is it is SUPER logical, i pc more i get more pain and i get more exhausted its not random or on the same level. When i take a 2day or 1 week break pain lessens and exhaustion lessens. But i even took 3 months break and pain and being tired stayed on a certain level.

    What the person is saying at the start kind of is how it is with me and i do get a bit more clear in evenings though not always. The scariest is my heart which will get worse with skipping beats and fluttering thinking i might kill myself by going on with activity. What if everyone here is wrong and i do have something serious and i could die by going on. those thoughts.

    Anyway here is the part ( you could just only read the bold text):

    P: I feel fatigued immediately after I wake up in the morning
    regardless of whether sleep was good or poor.
    E: If this is true then it is established that you suffer from
    the subjective feeling of tiredness and weariness, and not from
    the objective condition of fatigue. I shall tell you why I can afford
    to be so positive about my statement. You see, Evelyn,
    soldiers after a long march, athletes after an exhausting race,
    laborers after a strenuous effort, may sometimes be too tired to
    fall asleep. But once they lapse into a sound sleep they invariably
    and inevitably feel refreshed after awakening. These are examples
    of extreme fatigue. Even in these utmost exertions sleep
    eliminates fatigue with unquestioned certainty. In minor exertions,
    mere rest without sleep will have the same effect. The

    only exception to this rule is physical ailment, like an anemia or
    tuberculosis. In these conditions, even a sound sleep may not do
    away with fatigue. But with physically healthy persons, sleep
    never fails to remove fatigue.
    If it is true that for several
    months past you have enjoyed good sleep you have no reason
    for being tired in the morning. To sleep means to rest the
    muscles. How can your muscles be fatigued if they are rested?
    P: I don't know what to say. The fact is that I am all in
    no matter how well I slept. If you call that a subjective feeling
    you must think it is mental. But I didn't even have time to
    think about it. It is there the moment I wake up.
    E: I do not know what precisely you mean when you use the
    word "mental." Presumably you refer to the possibility that
    you may have the thought of fatigue in your mind and instantly
    feel the fatigue in your muscles* This instantaneous response
    of the muscles to a thought seems to puzzle you. I do not see
    why it should. You have certainly gone through similar experiences
    hundreds of times. Remember the occasion, for instance,
    when you were at a meeting and were called upon to make a
    speech. Instantly, your heart began to palpitate, your face reddened,
    your abdomen trembled and the knees shook.

    Here are some more nice parts, dont have to read these just thought they might be interesting for some to read:

    But if you are deprived of the power to plan,
    your day is carried on without accomplishment. Moreover, without
    planning, you miss that singular joy of looking ahead to
    accomplishments. The joyous trembling of watchful anticipation is
    taken from your daily routine. Life becomes a never-ending
    drabness and drudgery. It is this type of life that you look forward
    to when you awaken in the morning. In a flash, before
    you had "time to think about it," the dismal dreariness of your
    existence stares at you. Again one of those empty days with
    no plans, no decisions, no accomplishments. You become
    discouraged, disgusted with the dead monotony that is in store
    for you, and it is the self-disgust that robs your tissues of their
    vitality. There is no vigor, zest or incentive with which to
    start out on the daily routine. Your body is devoid of stimulation;
    it feels uninspired, flabby, limp. This feeling of limpness
    you call "fatigue." You will now understand why towards
    evening your vitality returns and why, after supper, you "feel
    almost well." There is nothing left for planning after supper,
    no drabness to be anticipated, no drudgery to be performed in
    self-disgust. The dreadful day is gone or going. Nothing is
    expected of you any more. You breathe freely now, and your
    vitality returns. Do you realize now that what you call "fatigue"
    is nothing but a psychological reaction to the anticipated and
    dreaded boredom of daily existence? Do you understand that
    the tiredness of which you complain is not in your muscles but
    in your mind?

    Up to now, with the thought of
    exhaustion in your brain, you were afraid to move, to work,
    to tax your "weak" muscles. I take it for granted that henceforth
    you will throw to the winds all this drivel about nerve
    exhaustion and will not hesitate to tax your muscles to your
    heart's delight.
    P: You told me that before, and I made every effort to accept
    your view. On many mornings I jumped out of bed with-
    *George M. Beard, A Practical Treatise on Nervous Exhaustion
    (Neurasthenia), New York, 1880, William Wood.

    out paying attention to my fears. I ignored the heaviness in my
    muscles and did my work, but it was certainly difficult. Your
    assurance that the fatigue is in the brain and not in the muscles
    helps me at times. But after I continue with my work for
    awhile the thought strikes me that maybe the other doctors
    were right when they warned me not to strain my muscles.
    After ten years it seems not easy to shake off the fears.
    E: You said you made every effort to accept my views about
    fatigue. This is, of course, an exaggerated claim. I do not
    expect anybody to make "every" effort in any endeavor. What
    you mean is that you tried hard but did not succeed. But remember,
    Evelyn, I never asked you to "accept my views." I
    asked you to practice them. My view with regard to "nervous
    fatigue" is that you can safely ignore it, that it is a bugaboo
    and not a real danger. This view cannot be "accepted" and,
    as it were, placed in your brain there to preside over your
    actions. In order to make a view direct your action it must
    be acquired, digested and absorbed through patient practice.
    This is true of every sphere of life in which you wish to plant
    views into the thoughts and brains of a person. In bringing
    up your children you did not merely present them with lovely
    notions and lofty principles, asking them to accept them. These
    views had to be practiced, again and again, till finally they
    were incorporated and lived and experienced and acted out
    spontaneously. When you intended to make your boy adopt
    the view of group responsibility you did not tell him to accept
    your principle of group behavior. Instead, you told him not
    to make noise in the presence of people. You urged him to
    say "thank you" and "please." This you did for months and
    years until finally the new habits took root. After ceaseless
    practice your boy finally incorporated the view in his system,
    made it part of his organism. The practice made the view
    "sink in" and take its firm place in the brain from where it
    then directed action. In this process of child training you influenced
    your boy's muscles and through them established a
    firm structure of habits. It was these good habits that represented
    your view. You understand now that I asked you to

    practice my view, not merely to accept it. The continued practice
    would have brought acceptance in its train. You will perhaps
    remember what precisely I asked you to do. I told you
    to jump out of bed and to go about your work, fatigue or no
    fatigue. But I also warned you to avoid all actions that embody
    the view of danger, I specifically instructed you not to look in
    the mirror to watch your so-called fatigue in your anxious
    features. I asked you to avoid the practice of touching the
    muscles of your arms and legs to investigate the degree of
    their flabbiness. I cautioned you not to sit down after a few
    steps or a few manipulations. Most important, I enjoined you
    not to complain about your fatigue, not to moan or sob, not
    to ask for help or sympathy. If you had complied with these
    instructions you would have established a new set of habits
    of how to deal with this legendary thought of nervous fatigue.
    The old habits of fear would have been crowded out of your
    mind, and a new set of constructive trends would have settled
    down or sunk into your brain. My view would then have
    occupied and taken possession of your brain without any effort
    on your part to accept or adopt it. If you say that "after ten
    years it is not easy to shake off the fears" I shall advise you
    that you had no business assuming that it might be easy. Mere
    acceptance of a view is easy, but practicing it means sustained
    application with endless trials and endless failures till finally
    you score the ultimate success. You thought of merely accepting
    a view. That would have been easy but ineffectual. What
    I wanted you to do was to practice, i.e., to direct your muscles
    to carry out my view. I presume that after tonight's interview
    you will no longer entertain the unrealistic notion that mere
    lip-service to a principle -will reestablish a new set of habits.
    Practice alone will do that.

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