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Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by Mani, Dec 8, 2025 at 9:48 AM.

  1. Mani

    Mani Newcomer

    Have posted before so will skip the basics because the side business doesnt matter. I want to know how you would call my symptoms. Most of the time when i read about tms its about physical pain, usually from repressed emotions.

    I've always repressed everything and have had a lot of somatic issues before, but never pain. It was ocd, anxiety, heart palpitations, stomach cramps, me/cfs. Also have a very high pain tolerance because i used to be terrible at feeling. I have always felt like my worth depended solely on my actions. Have always been anxious to handle everything perfectly -- or else they wont love me.

    I was doing great the entire year though, was working 40h a week and doing great. I had changed some things in my life and felt stronger than i had felt in forever. Afterwards, I went on a trip to thailand and my ocd immediately sky rocketed. I was convinced i had contracted rabies and got so freaked out. I was fine during the day and then when i was alone at night my anxiety sky rocketed. I was so scared of dying that i couldnt fall asleep without being in a call with my folks.

    After a month of crippling anxiety i decided that enough is enough, and went home. 6 days after going home someone blew an airhorn into my ear. Symptoms (hyperacusis and tinnitus) started right there and then but got better incredibly quickly. It was only after the second and third noise incident that i got worse again and from there on never had improvements.

    What do I make of this? My doctor (who is very well respected in the tinnitus space), his programs are great and have a great success rate, says it is central sensitization, that I'm in a permanent fight or flight response and that i just need to learn to calm my nervous system again and that all will be fine. Its been more than a year now and my nervous system is not fine. I get startled incredibly easily, not just by sounds but also by movements. I physically jump up when someone appears in front of me. I look like a gazelle just discovering a cheetah.

    People on this forum have called this 'central sensitization' BS. I'm trying to figure out: what else is it called? What lessons am i supposed to have learned? How will I ensure that I wont start suddenly spiraling again? I cant really explain it very well in one post, but i would just like to have a convo about what caused this, why its remained and how i can teach myself to not let it happen again. I have known it was TMS from the moment the second acoustic incident hit. Id just like to have a philosophical conversation about why i got TMS and what this TMS means.

    Thanks a bunch. Would love to hear from you all.
     
  2. BloodMoon

    BloodMoon Beloved Grand Eagle

    "What caused it?" Answer: anxiety. (At its essence mind/body/TMS is anxiety.)

    "How can I teach myself to not let it happen again?" Answer: deal with/reduce your anxiety...

    Do this by committing to doing a mind/body/TMS program that will get you going in the right direction to lower your anxiety and calm your nervous system down, such as Tanner Murtagh's 3-steps totally free 30 day program on YouTube https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threa...chronic-pain-other-symptoms-on-youtube.33091/
     
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  3. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    It's important not to get hung up over the words in a diagnosis, when all they are doing is describing your symptoms. That's all that "central sensitization" does: it describes a sensitive central nervous system. Where's the pathology? Where's the underlying cause? They have no clue - that's why the diagnosis only describes the symptoms.

    Just like IBS, CFS, MCS, CRPS, and many others. When we make fun of these diagnoses here (calling them BS) it's because we can see the truth, which is that the medical community has been forced to come up with strings of words that sound like they are taking us seriously and giving us a formal diagnosis - when they don't have a clue what's gone wrong or how to fix it.

    Worrying about terminology which is actually meaningless is a distraction created by your TMS brain. Your rational brain is wrestling with your TMS brain because your rational brain knows it's all TMS. I think you just need to let go of the struggle and gently assure your TMS brain that you're taking this all seriously, and it really doesn't matter what you call it, for convenience.

    It would be beneficial if you were able to abandon all the words and descriptions and explanations about the CS, the hyperacusis and that stuff about pain or not pain. Stop distracting yourself (and us) with all of that and find a simple generic term that encompasses your symptoms - like "anxiety-based nervous symptoms" and leave it at that. Start focusing on the self-examination and going back to childhood dynamics, because that's where it always starts.

    Have you heard about the ACEs questions? To get a big picture overview of your childhood issues, use the questionnaire that's discussed in this forum post which describes and links to the well-regarded ACEs questionnaire for childhood experiences: https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/aces-quiz-online-printable-versions.27061
     
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  4. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    @JanAtheCPA is right, your auditory sensitivity = my back symptoms in that the mind simply finds its place to focus and get our attention. This is not the “issue” as your doctor points out and you realize to a degree that it is your anxiety driving the show.
    The first thing that you experienced this time your TMS symptoms began was anxiety.
    How did that feel in your body? Did you notice the sensations and kind of freak out? Judge them as “bad?” Or as unwanted? I’ll give you an example of my own anxiety sensations: I suddenly get cold, I often feel uncomfortable and want loose or stretchy clothes. I want to be alone. Thoughts race. Not nice feelings but.. if I just let them be and experience them, they pass. Maybe in a short time, maybe a few days.
    Emotions are physical sensations and most often proceed increased anxiety, then you add the layers of sensations of anxiety. We try to push it all away mentally and it builds up even more and we get panic, like you did before you could sleep.
    This is why I’ve recommended reading any book by Claire Weekes to you.
    You can post on this forum about the symptoms repeatedly but until you can engage in the work: not just for a few weeks or a month or even for a few months, you are not actively engaging in doing it.
    Choose a program: your Doctors program, the SEP write a daily plan to follow and do it every day and when you feel a bit better: keep doing it.
    It’s like math - sure you can learn to count and remember those easy concepts for life but when you learn things like calculus (do they still teach it?) you have to keep using it or you forget. Then when you sense the anxiety etc return you use your skills instead of freaking out, and you won’t need to have as many episodes of TMS.
    Your reactions to things won’t be perfect. You are human, you are going to feel things. Everybody does. It’s just that not everybody reacts in a way that keeps the nervous system in overdrive.

    Instead of writing about your symptoms we’d like to hear about what you are learning by doing the work, the work you are doing (SEP or another method), the schedule you made for yourself, what you think of the Claire Weekes book etc.
     
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  5. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    Here is Nichole Sach’s teen component called Gen Z
    I would suggest sending in the form and letting them know you can’t listen to the program because of symptoms and need a written transcription.
    It is important they acknowledge your set of symptoms. I think what these younger folks have to say may resonate with you more.

    https://www.yourbreakawake.com/GenZofferings (JournalSpeaking with Gen Z)

    Also Dr. Schubiner has videos that explain your TMS to “make sense” of it. Turn off the sound, turn on the subtitles or CC so you can read the descriptions quietly. This YouTube channel has at least 5 episodes in this series of explaining pain.
     
  6. Mani

    Mani Newcomer

    Thanks for taking the time to answer thoroughly.

    I'm dying to tell you and cactusflower(?) or bloodmoon or both this well whatever. I have done the ACEs, i think its a part of unlearn your pain which ive finished, but yes i remember writing about so called 'potentially traumatic experiences'. I felt like it missed the part that was so big for me personally. Let me give you an example:

    I wanted to be the perfect child. I felt like not being a burden at all was all i had to do. My mom liked to tell me and my aunt and friends parents how well i ate fruit in kindergarten. "He always finishes his tray, so awesome so crazy" I was like 4 btw. I started feeling that my value was that i always finished my tray, that thats why i was so awesome. So one day i had pineapple in my tray and i found out i hated pineapple. I couldnt finish it. No biggie, or so youd think. But i had a full mental breakdown. I vividly remember this too. My anxiety wasnt about me not having fruit but it was about having to show my mom that i couldnt finish it, that i wasnt perfect. I thought my mom would love me less.

    This is absolutely tragic to look back on, but this is how my childhood was. Me not wanting to be a burden also lead to me never talking about the things that happened. Can you imagine a 4 year old just fixing whatever comes to pass? Obviously not. I got lost a couple of times and had a panic attack too, also at the age of 4 and 5 (multiple times). I never told my parents about it because i was so ashamed i had lost the way.

    These are my traumas and i have a million examples. This wasnt me or my parents being willfully ignorant, but its just the results of a mismatch in personalities. I never got the help that i needed. I had POCD when i was 6, you probably have to look that up. Can you imagine a 6 year old having POCD? It was absolutely tragic. It went on like this until i reached the age of 18. I have gone to a therapist and imo this should be like finding a big golden unicorn, like this is striking gold when a patient comes to you telling you this as a therapist. She never really understood what i meant. She just listened and started talking about other things. I'm using a lot of words but what do you think when you hear stuff like this. I feel like ive figured a lot of stuff out already but its really hard finding proper help. I have done a lot of emotional work and i feel like ive done quite well. But my symptoms havent lessened at all. I now know that fixing symptoms shouldnt be the goal. I'm changing my mindset regarding that.
     
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  7. Mani

    Mani Newcomer

    Just imagine how youd feel if you started developing rabies symptoms while in another country without your loved ones. Thats exactly how i felt. My heart rate and body temperature went up, i started sweating, i had headaches, i felt like i would be dead within 2 days and i would be dying in a hospital where no one could even properly communicate with me. You might realize that the symptoms im describing are also the first symptoms of rabies. Please know that that did not make me feel any better lol. I just was so convinced rabies had started and that id be dead it was truly awful. My dad has always told me to just feel it, just let it happen and feel inside your body but i couldnt. It was just way too much to handle for me. I had gotten so much better at feeling inside my body but you cant imagine how i was doing. It was just a full blown panic attack everytime starting from midnight til 6 am. I was looking for buildings to jump off of for when i started feeling worse. Just way too much. I'd like to hear you respond ill go over the second part too.

    You have no idea how much i appreciate you taking so much time out of your day to help me. I have always really struggled with asking for help and its just tremendously helpful for someone to just make me feel heard at least.

    I'm currently doing the multimedia but because i felt like i just wanted to do some extra with no stress i also started with the other program. 'the educational whatever whatever'. I'm doing so much better than i was doing a week ago. Purely symptoms wise that is. I got kind of lucky that i started the self improvement thing just as my medication went into the higher dosages.

    Also another thing id like to throw up. I always had heart palps every other day (pretty much without fail) but it didnt do anything. Just made me lie down and feel my body and itd stop after 10 minutes or so. I used to treat it as a sign that it was just my body telling me that i wasnt listening enough, but i dont understand why heart palps didnt make me freak out at all. In a way they almost felt nice or something. Is this considered tms too? What does it say that i eliminated that without a lot of issues but that hyperacusis just wont go away?

    I will discuss claire weekes with my parents tomorrow. See if i can find a free pdf somewhere. schedule is hard when you cant shower, cant set an alarm and cant go outside. I have started incorporating multiple things though. I do these programs, i nap, i meditate. I feel like strict schedules force me into the ocd side which has never really done me good.

    Other question: I used to do sprint training. I tried doing them too when my hyperacusis started. However, i always had to force myself to go there, it was never really fun or anything. Am i just not listening to my body properly? I really struggle because being too disciplined about everything I feel has only ever meant that i was less in touch and feeling worse. I just feel its the 'ignoring the body' with which i have a lot of experience. My symptoms were always worse after sprinting. I thought sprinting was good for me and i had to do it thats why i kept doing it. I was very conflicted about this. Should i be kind to myself and do more of what i feel like doing or should i be the disciplined army veteran i used to be? I find it very hard to navigate all this.

    I mean, I'm trying to get to know myself better. Would be best if id become a better human after struggling for so long.

    Thanks again. I really feel incredibly acknowledged. Its a great feeling and ive always missed it within my family
     
  8. Mani

    Mani Newcomer

    And also, even though this might not mean a lot to you, you're a breath of fresh air.

    You know i watch a lot of videos on youtube with subtitles because it works. I have started watching dan buglios 'pain free you' too. After consulting with so many people, telling them my stories, only to then get sent back a voice memo or an audio file. I understand that its a pretty hard concept to grasp that i cant even stand digital sound at the lowest setting but its soo nice to have someone tell me: 'i know you cant use sound, just use subtitles.' At the same time it is so frustrating when people try to help you and you cant even listen to the advice and i feel so bad and i just yeah im sure you get what i mean
    thanks thanks thanks


    Im going on the nicole sachs thing right now. I really need to make sure i dont become too obsessed and put too much on my plate. I never know how to dose properly, always start doing too much. This is my opportunity to actually learn some stuff.
     
  9. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    Approach things slowly.
    You don’t wanna cram your brain and shove all this in your mind in one dose.
    Your mind made up it’s process of how you handle to world, years ago as an infant and little kid. For 19 years it was doing its best and now you need to tell it that best no longer helps. This is where subconcious comes into play now.
    It’s like your little invisible little kid screaming Noooooo! You’re wrong! We don’t do it the new way! I want the old way!!!!!! And it gives you more symptoms to keep you “safe” were it thinks safe should be. But you are older, that old way no longer works. However throttling that little kid and forcing it to learn and learn “now” is the opposite of safe. That threatens that little kid. It sends messages of you’re “wrong” or “bad” for the old ways. Think what influence that has on the nervous system!
    Instead for an hour or two a day you gently introduce the new way. This is why you make a schedule and follow it. A little bit in your day and no more. You also add in learning to do things like meditate (all the things we’ve written to you about before). Then do other stuff.
    Your mind might think doing more will help you “solve” or “fix” this faster but it does not. That feeds the obsessive, anxious and restlessness you feel. Your Dr. has well explained that there is nothing to “fix” but something to get back to naturally regulating. You can’t force it, pressure it, teach it by cramming etc. those are the old ways, and did not work for you.
    Go back and re-read all your own posts and all the answers. Make notes on what speaks to you. Make your schedule.
    If you don’t do these kinds of things we can’t help you along. This is up to you.
     

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