Non bothering TMS symptoms?

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berlinale

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As posted earlier I am here because of my GI issues I developed last year. Nevertheless, I also suffer from tinnitus und minor neuropathy in my feet. So far, i did not consider them as TMS. I have habituated to both a long time ago and they do not bother me most of the time. In fact, I can go days without noticing them.

Nevertheless, do you think it is possible that these symptoms can still be TMS although they do not bother me and therefore do not serve the TMS minds' purpose of distracting me of any negative feelings or emotions anymore? I thought the mind would eventually stop producing them in such case, so i would not consider them as TMS, but I am curious about your opinion of it. Thanks a lot for your thoughts on this.
 
berlinale said:
do you think it is possible that these symptoms can still be TMS although they do not bother me
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Yes! Everything you have is on the list. It’s TMS. I’ve had one TMS symptom that has lasted 30 years—mostly not bothering me. Until the past few years. Then it exploded. If you don’t do the work to get rid of even the mild symptoms, your brain always has the option to turn them up, imho. If you don’t clean house, so to speak, the lid on the rage bucket can blow off.
 
Diana-M said:
Yes! Everything you have is on the list. It’s TMS. I’ve had one TMS symptom that has lasted 30 years—mostly not bothering me. Until the past few years. Then it exploded. If you don’t do the work to get rid of even the mild symptoms, your brain always has the option to turn them up, imho. If you don’t clean house, so to speak, the lid on the rage bucket can blow off.
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thanks for your thoughts. it would be indeed a nice bonus to get rid of those symptoms as well. do you have any idea why non-bothering symptoms still continue without serving their purpose?
 
berlinale said:
do you have any idea why non-bothering symptoms still continue without serving their purpose?
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Conditioning. Period. A lot of our thought patterns are conditioned in as well.

The first time I went thru this process, besides losing my pain, a lot of peculiar things stopped too...things I wouldn't have thought were a YUGE problem. I used to have "Reynauds" in my feet..no matter how warm I dressed or heated them up, they would be cold.
It just vanished with my pain..probably because Sarno said it was part of TMS.
I also quit biting my nails after doing it my whole life.... Have no clue why.
Used to get Treppe in my eyelid when I was tired. Gone.
My Hips made a horrible clicking noise on every sit-up. Sarno said Ignore it, so I did....and it went away??

I can't explain any of those save maybe the ones Sarno mentioned. Subconscious? Unconscious? I still have plenty of quirks I wish WOULD go away, so I am not going to be too cocky about it. I sometimes get itches on my legs and feet. I have scratched them til they have bled. Doctor said there is NOTHING there.
The urge to itch them is strong... They happen in places where I used to get pain. It happened yesterday....I have been under enormous pressure to finish a job with a Hard deadline and I can only guess that is my Unconscious screaming "I am pissed!". They always happen when I want to relax.
I had a Border Collie once who had an 'anxiety spot' she itched on her fur. I can only guess I am like her.

We have discussed this before here on the forum and I think the consensus is; the reason they linger is that they are not intrusive or bothersome enough for us to work on their banishment.
 
Great! so i just found two additional reasons to continue the work. :-)

If they do not bother me. Do i still need to convince myself they are TMS as well or do I just work on my main TMS symptoms and they might dimish as well?

Really sorry to hear about your itching. I hope it disappears quickly now that you have finished your job.
 
Baseball65 said:
I think the consensus is; the reason they linger is that they are not intrusive or bothersome enough for us to work on their banishment.
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I agree we kind of get used to some things and just think we deserve life like this and it will always be this way. But for some of us we just didn’t know about Sarno so things lasted forever. That’s why they lasted for me. I love at the end of Steve Ozanich’s book, The Great Pain Deception, where he has one last thing that’s bothering him and he says I’m not quitting till I get rid of every last thing and he did. I think we should all aim for getting rid of everything to be honest! we’re way too used to suffering. if it’s not killing us, we just think oh well. It’s a little bit of a victim mentality. I’m so deep in symptoms right now that I can’t even imagine getting rid of the littlest things but when I get up and out of this, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I’m gonna be a real person.

but the biggest reason for getting rid of the little things is that they can turn into big things later. They did for me, trust me, it’s not good.

(I’ve had the cold feet all this year. It’s super annoying. And I’ve had the itching before many times. Finally, one doctor said to me if you keep itching any one spot on your body, it can perpetuate for months and months. So now when I get that, I try really hard not to itch, but it’s hard.)
 
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Diana-M said:
I agree we kind of get used to some things and just think we deserve life like this and it will always be this way. But for some of us we just didn’t know about Sarno so things lasted forever. That’s why they lasted for me. I love at the end of Steve Ozanich’s book, The Great Pain Deception, where he has one last thing that’s bothering him and he says I’m not quitting till I get rid of every last thing and he did. I think we should all aim for getting rid of everything to be honest! we’re way too used to suffering. if it’s not killing us, we just think oh well. It’s a little bit of a victim mentality. I’m so deep in symptoms right now that I can’t even imagine getting rid of the littlest things but when I get up and out of this, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I’m gonna be a real person.

but the biggest reason for getting rid of the little things is that they can turn into big things later. They did for me, trust me, it’s not good.

(I’ve had the cold feet all this year. It’s super annoying. And I’ve had the itching before many times. Finally, one doctor said to me if you keep itching any one spot on your body, it can perpetuate for months and months. So now when I get that, I try really hard not to itch, but it’s hard.)
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Hey Diana. I agree that we should also try to get of the little things as they might turn bigger. Am I correct that you mean that if you do not have any "bigger" things going on (anymore) you should not stop TMS but continuing do the work to tackle the smaller things also even if they bother you, right? Or is ther anything specific to do while still struggling with the bigger issues?
 
berlinale said:
Hey Diana. I agree that we should also try to get of the little things as they might turn bigger. Am I correct that you mean that if you do not have any "bigger" things going on (anymore) you should not stop TMS but continuing do the work to tackle the smaller things also even if they bother you, right? Or is ther anything specific to do while still struggling with the bigger issues?
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I think working on your TMS theoretically should get rid of all your TMS. The way Dr. Sarno discovered that non-pain symptoms and non-back pain symptoms were TMS is they went away when his patients started getting rid of their back pain TMS. He writes about non-pain TMS a lot in his last book, the Divided Mind. I’ve never gotten rid of all symptoms completely (yet!) — so I’m guessing that you can get rid of them if you just keep at it. But I know there are some people here on the forum who have kept some symptoms, despite doing the work, but they are able to live with it.

This is a good topic! I wonder what others think.
 
I don't think that one can get rid of all the symptoms for the rest of one's life. I mean, forever, no symptoms. Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think this is possible. Life sucks sometimes (the battle of life) and pain can come. Emotional, physical, mental etc.

I have giant stresses now in my life and I'm in pain but, but...I can stay happy, regardless of the circumstances. I do have to use some tricks like listening to happy soft music, petting my cat, spending time outside in nature alone or with my husband (for a walk). I do all I can on purpose not to be sad, or to think about my pain or to feed the pain and make it grow.

It's difficult, not an easy thing to do but I'm doing my best and...that's all I can do. It is what it is...
 
Sita said:
I don't think that one can get rid of all the symptoms for the rest of one's life. I mean, forever, no symptoms. Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think this is possible. Life sucks sometimes (the battle of life) and pain can come. Emotional, physical, mental etc.

I have giant stresses now in my life and I'm in pain but, but...I can stay happy, regardless of the circumstances. I do have to use some tricks like listening to happy soft music, petting my cat, spending time outside in nature alone or with my husband (for a walk). I do all I can on purpose not to be sad, or to think about my pain or to feed the pain and make it grow.

It's difficult, not an easy thing to do but I'm doing my best and...that's all I can do. It is what it is...
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you are probably right. there might be some who will never have symptoms again but that is probably not the standard. I personally think it is absolutely okay when symptoms come back once in a while when you are in giant stress as long as you know where it is coming from, that it is only temporary and you know what to do to get better. The objective is not to have pain never again but it should not be the standard.
 
berlinale said:
you are probably right. there might be some who will never have symptoms again but that is probably not the standard. I personally think it is absolutely okay when symptoms come back once in a while when you are in giant stress as long as you know where it is coming from, that it is only temporary and you know what to do to get better. The objective is not to have pain never again but it should not be the standard.
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I guess I would love it if they would *all* go away for any amount of time- even for a short while. I haven’t really had that for the last 30 years. Always some permanent ones linger.
 
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