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Is Tinnitus TMS ??? - ( YES !!! )

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by Professor Polymath, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Professor Polymath

    Professor Polymath New Member

    In 1994, Dr. Sarno's book "Mind Over Back Pain" cured me of 15 years of back pain overnight. Fast forward to 2016 and I have had “Tinnitus” for two years now.

    Knowing full well that TMS can come and go and move around the body, I began to wonder if my Tinnitus was TMS in a new location. Did Dr. Sarno ever list Tinnitus as a TMS symptom? Sure enough, he had. On page 15 of “The Divided Mind” Tinnitus was on the list of TMS symptoms.

    So my hunch was right. I quickly accepted that my Tinnitus was just TMS in a new location and my Tinnitus levels dropped 75% overnight! I was happy that my Tinnitus levels dropped 75% overnight, but I still had mild Tinnitus; not unbearable, but annoying, and occasionally depressing.

    Here’s where the plot thickens and gets a little dark and disturbing. As a former professional Hypnotist, I have strong reason to believe that medical doctors are inadvertently LOCKING the “Tinnitus Sound Loop” into the Subconscious Minds of their patients!!!

    Let me explain...

    You get a ringing in your ears that doesn’t go away. So, you go to your doctor to get it checked out. You expect the doctor to say it’s nothing and prescribe some meds to fix the problem. Instead, your doctor gravely intones, “You have Tinnitus. There is no cure. You will have Tinnitus for the rest of your life.”

    Your doctor has just given you an EXTREMELY POWERFUL post-hypnotic-suggestion ! ! !

    You see, your Subconscious Mind is VERY suggestible. HUGELY suggestible. Even when you are NOT hypnotized your Subconscious Mind is PROFOUNDLY suggestible!!!

    So, when your Subconscious Mind hears the grim prognosis from your doctor, your Subconscious Mind repeats to itself over and over and over again, “I’ve got Tinnitus. There’s no cure. I am going to have Tinnitus for the rest of my life. I’ve got Tinnitus. There’s no cure. I am going to have Tinnitus for the rest of my life. I’ve got Tinnitus. There’s no cure. I am going to have Tinnitus for the rest of my life,” and that negative “program” gets imbedded into the Hard Drive of your brain where it runs on “Auto-Pilot” without your knowledge or consent!!!

    So, not only do we have TMS, but we have doctors further embedding TMS deep into our Subconscious Mind with their grim prognoses. I truly believe that one reason why TMS conditions become “chronic” in the first place is that we are told by doctors that our condition is “chronic” and that we will just have to learn to live with it.

    Well, at this point you may be wondering, “If Tinnitus is a Negative-Post-Hypnotic Suggestion, can a Positive-Post-Hypnotic-Suggestion cure or reverse my Tinnitus??? Yes! In fact, isn’t ALL TMS simply a Negative-Post-Hypnotic-Suggestion we have falsely accepted as true??? Of course it is.

    For this reason, I believe Hypnosis is helpful for ALL types of TMS.

    For Tinnitus, I recommend Self-Hypnosis over professional Hypnosis for two reasons.

    1) Professional Hypnosis is very expensive and you will need at least 10 to 15 sessions. Unless you have $1,200 to $1,800 to blow on Hypnosis, forget it.

    2) Moreover, 99% of Hypnotherapists have never had Tinnitus, don’t know what Tinnitus is, have never heard of TMS, and have little confidence treating unfamiliar conditions. Add all that together and you will most likely get poor results taking your Tinnitus to a professional Hypnotist.

    Self-Hypnosis is the way to go in my opinion. There are Self-Hypnosis books on Amazon. There are Self-Hypnosis books at your local library. There are even Self-Hypnosis videos on YouTube. It is relatively easy to learn Self-Hypnosis. It isn’t Chinese algebra.


    If you treat your TMS with Hypnosis post your results below for ALL to benefit from.


    Last edited: Dec 17, 2016
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  2. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi Professor,

    I will say that as I undertook Dr. Sarno's work, I had a professional hypnotist make, as is her custom, a custom session for me, which she recorded. It was not TMS specific, but it addressed relaxing, and calling on my higher self for guidance and understanding. She bases the session on an interview with the client. I believe Forest has suggested that when we find our "TMS Cure," we may have done many things, and it is hard to pin down what worked. I had very dramatic breakthroughs which I associated with psychodynamic insights, but the hypnosis, daily for a couple of months, may have helped, at least to lesson tension.

    BTW, I asked Monte Hueftle if he used hypnosis with TMS, since he is trained, and he said no.

    The affect you describe is called a nocebo, I believe (opposite of placebo). The suggestion that there is a problem by a medical person. A sort of "curse."

    Andy B
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  3. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hey Professor, and welcome! I look forward to seeing more of your posts on our forum - you've clearly got some great insights into the process.

    I'm a big believer in mindfulness, visualization, and self-talk - which I use to counter the negative messages that you describe so well. They work for me these days to control minor flare-ups, but only after I spent the necessary time (five years ago) on the initial emotional work that Dr. Sarno recommends.

    I found myself relating to everything you described, and I can see that lots of people here feel the need for something more structured than my mish-mash of techniques, so I imagine that learning self-hypnosis could be very helpful for them, to break through their old conditioned patterns of symptoms. With a caveat, which is: as long as they don't ignore the emotional component, the one that has caused the distraction/repression cycle to begin with!

    If you only use self-talk or self-hypnosis techniques and avoid doing the deep emotional work, then these techniques are merely a Band-Aid applied to a gaping wound which will continue to re-open. That being said, I see a lot of members who seem to be stuck, because they still haven't recognized the barrage of negativity from their brains, or that fact that their negative brains are still running the show. They don't realize that if they learn to hear it, they can then learn to talk back to it. Maybe a program of self-hypnosis could help!

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  4. Professor Polymath

    Professor Polymath New Member

    Good points Andy.

  5. Professor Polymath

    Professor Polymath New Member

    Well said Jan. You are quite right. TMS-ers must confront their emotional and psychological "issues" to effect a true lasting cure in their lives.

    Self-Talk and Self-Hypnosis are very similar. The only difference is that in Self-Hypnosis the subject will have placed themselves into a mild state of Hypnosis. A Self-Talker could easily emulate Self-Hypnosis by lying on a bed or sofa, allowing themselves to fall into a semi-sleep state, and then performing their Self-Talk as usual (silently, not aloud.)

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  6. Freedom

    Freedom Peer Supporter

    I wanted to pull up this thread as I'm currently experiencing Tinnitus. When I went to my ENT they did a test and said I had unusual hearing loss for my age (31) but that it actually was NOT related to the tinnitus (loud ringing in ears) and instead that I lost hearing for low tones. Strange.
  7. Ellen

    Ellen Beloved Grand Eagle

    I don't know if there is anything to this tinnitus "cure", but thought I'd pass it along just in case it could help. I know tinnitus is a common TMS symptom, so if this approach works it may be just a placebo, but sometimes even temporary placebo relief is welcome. Just continue to treat as TMS for permanent relief.

  8. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    Tangentially, I've found that when folks here use a term like "MY ENT" or "MY ORTH", "MY CHIRO", etc. they seem to be more stuck with them. It becomes like a status symbol--"My needs are so great, I carry around a specialist for each one of them." A specialist like that probably has a vested monetary interest in keeping you hooked as a regular in his practice, wanting to see you minimally every year and hopefully every six months. My brother had TMS prostatitis until I gave him an article about the scam and he quit being dependent on his, who was doing very painful surgeries on him as often as he could. A uro I went to wanted to see me at least annually to renew my rx for urinary urgency pills. With TMS thinking I now no longer have UU--a thing of the past, just came back from a 1,300 mile driving trip and no need for excruciating pit stops. My eye doc's office calls me every year to try to arrange an annual check-up--with a discount. Then they try to talk me into buying two new pairs of glasses for $500 0r more or to get contacts. I now ignore these cold-cash calls, I only go to a doc when there's something wrong. The annual doc's visits has been shown to be a fallacy to--they might find something wrong with you that wasn't there before you arrived.
  9. Freedom

    Freedom Peer Supporter

    Tennis Tom,

    Did not mean to confuse, this was the first time I had been to an ENT, so technically its not "my" ent. I went in because I had consistent ringing in my ears for multiple days over multiple weeks, and TMS literature always says to go to a doctor first. Sometimes I hate it though because you end up worrying more afterwards. However the point you make is a good one. But then it begs the question when should you and when should you not see a doctor to check out a totally new health issue.

    My questions about Tinnitus are:
    1. Is Ringing in the ears TMS?
    2. Is pain in the ears TMS?
    3. Im assuming hearing LOSS(e.g. from listening to something way too loud for a long period of time) is NOT TMS?
  10. Ferndale37

    Ferndale37 Peer Supporter

    http://tinnitus.org (Tinnitus.org | homepage)

    Check this website out if you have tinnitus. I forked out loads on hypnosis, but finally healed by learning about the true mechanism of tinnitus, reading success stories and losing my fear of the noise.

    This was long before hearing about Tms, but a very similar method to my more recent healing from back pain.
  11. Tennis Tom

    Tennis Tom Beloved Grand Eagle

    If you haven't already done a "SEARCH", here and at the TMS Help Forum, there are numerous threads regarding "tinnitus"/TMS going back for years.
  12. Ines

    Ines Well known member

    That's interesting. I wonder if that is the tapping method I keep hearing about. It's got to be a placebo effect.
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  13. Professor Polymath

    Professor Polymath New Member

    UPDATE JUNE 2017. So now I got vertigo/dizziness too. Good lord. More TMS. I've come to the realization that anything short of a broken bone is TMS. I know my vertigo/dizziness is TMS because when I'm relaxing at home it's not there! - Professor
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