Injuries are felt at the time?

[Jakehealing]

So dan buglio says that for true injuries you would feel pain at the time of your potential incident. So i was just wanting more reassurance about this. 2 days ago i was doing my home workout and although i was very OCD with my form and technique i felt no pain.

It wasnt until the next day 24 hours later that i felt a new pain in my rib area. The only thing that makes me think it is a real potential pulled muscle or something is i was setting my shoulder blades back and down after each rep on my rows which is not needed and did not feel natural.

However all of the next day before the pain came on i was researching row form and watching back workouts to see how they performed it. So basically stressing a little bit on how to do my workouts with good form. i am also going out this weekend which i am apprehensive about. It also came on at night which seems to be the time my brain try’s to trick me when im tired. So i have reasons why this came on in a mindbody sense but even if i didt, if it was a real injury from working out i would of felt it at the time wouldt i?

 

[JanAtheCPA]

That's my experience.

Back when I worked with a personal trainer who challenged me far beyond what I'm now doing on my own, I decided I was quite capable of distinguishing between "challenging" pain/strain, vs "this doesn't feel right" pain/strain. If I decided it was challenging, I kept going and visualized my muscles getting strong. If it didn't feel right, I would tell my trainer and she would make an adjustment and we'd keep going.

I never had any consequences from either of these situations. If I felt a little pain in the moment, I just said "eh, it'll pass". Which it did.

In both cases, I refused to allow anxiety to try to take over.

For context, the period of time I was working with my trainer was from age 60 to 69 (until the pandemic screwed everything up in 2020 and my trainer left the US). So I was probably a lot older than you, and I'd had decades of body awareness and experience trusting my instincts.

In your case, you need to work on your anxiety. How has your progress been since you discovered TMS knowledge? Did you ever directly address your anxiety? Did you do any program?

 

[Baseball65]

i was researching row form and watching back workouts to see how they performed it.

Gosh..I wonder how that new symptom came out of 'nowhere'.
If you are still readin g stuff like this, you might have misunderstood Sarno...or have you read Sarno?

The whole idea of 'correct form' is the biggest Old Husband's tale (old wives tale amongst weight lifting men)

I carry heavy shit all day long every day...and I never worry about form, but I certainly would never Watch or read about it. That's like asking for TMS to come in your front door

 

[Jakehealing]

Gosh..I wonder how that new symptom came out of 'nowhere'.
If you are still readin g stuff like this, you might have misunderstood Sarno...or have you read Sarno?

The whole idea of 'correct form' is the biggest Old Husband's tale (old wives tale amongst weight lifting men)

I carry heavy shit all day long every day...and I never worry about form, but I certainly would never Watch or read about it. That's like asking for TMS to come in your front door

you make a good point! I listened to one of sarnos books at the very beginning of my journey (5 months ago). But i guess sometimes i need somethings spelling out for me. In this case “gym form does not matter!” Or atleast not to the extent i am going to anyway. Before all these years of pain i just use to lift and enjoy but after years of being ingrained with the all the PT spiel im still unlearning this!

 

[Jakehealing]

That's my experience.

Back when I worked with a personal trainer who challenged me far beyond what I'm now doing on my own, I decided I was quite capable of distinguishing between "challenging" pain/strain, vs "this doesn't feel right" pain/strain. If I decided it was challenging, I kept going and visualized my muscles getting strong. If it didn't feel right, I would tell my trainer and she would make an adjustment and we'd keep going.

I never had any consequences from either of these situations. If I felt a little pain in the moment, I just said "eh, it'll pass". Which it did.

In both cases, I refused to allow anxiety to try to take over.

For context, the period of time I was working with my trainer was from age 60 to 69 (until the pandemic screwed everything up in 2020 and my trainer left the US). So I was probably a lot older than you, and I'd had decades of body awareness and experience trusting my instincts.

In your case, you need to work on your anxiety. How has your progress been since you discovered TMS knowledge? Did you ever directly address your anxiety? Did you do any program?

Funny thing is i never get pain during my workouts or if i do its very little! I have had bits of pain the next day after my workouts but its in the places i already have pain so this time when it was a new place and a new sensation all together its thrown me off a bit. I have pretty much decided it must be tms but just to be precautious im taking 5-6 days off working out and in that time any sort of twinge i have would of healed! My anxiety is up and down but i let it be like that as it is expected with tms, i try not fight it and just tell myself this feeling is just tms! I do no programs but just listen to dan buglio/mindful gardener/jim prussack and tanner

 

[JanAtheCPA]

Yeah, none of this matters. It's all TMS brain BS.

 

[feduccini]

So i have reasons why this came on in a mindbody sense but even if i didt, if it was a real injury from working out i would of felt it at the time wouldt i?

Yes, you probably would feel at the time. Working out is itself a form of injury, you tear tiny muscle fibers so the body regenerates them stronger, what happens when you rest. It is a painful process if you stayed a while without doing exercises.

Bear in mind working out while stressed or worried might cause injuries as well. My PT says he always asks how his patients were feeling before the injury, and it's very common they weren't on a good day.

TMS does create new forms of pain when the usual ones aren't scaring you anymore.

From what you described, it seems to me it was just regular workout pain over sensitized by TMS mechanisms.

 

[louaci]

Gosh..I wonder how that new symptom came out of 'nowhere'.
If you are still readin g stuff like this, you might have misunderstood Sarno...or have you read Sarno?

The whole idea of 'correct form' is the biggest Old Husband's tale (old wives tale amongst weight lifting men)

I carry heavy shit all day long every day...and I never worry about form, but I certainly would never Watch or read about it. That's like asking for TMS to come in your front door

It is interesting that on world safety day, we had an activity identifying unsafe things in the workplace. One of them was a guy lifting a heavy box without bending his knees. Could that position be used by the TMS brain so many times that it is considered dangerous ? Well maybe bending your knees may make it a little easier?

 

[Baseball65]

Could that position be used by the TMS brain so many times that it is considered dangerous

Everybody who thinks about it eventually gets back pain!!...that whole 'proper way to lift' is such a crock.
Back Braces too..I used to be addicted to mine. Discarding it was one of the hardest steps I took in recovery.
I USED to believe it...and when I discarded it I have gone 25 more years of labor w/o a problem. Even when I worked with a broken vertebrae and didn't know it.

Total 'medieval structural medicine' to quote Sarno.

 

[louaci]

Everybody who thinks about it eventually gets back pain!!...that whole 'proper way to lift' is such a crock.
Back Braces too..I used to be addicted to mine. Discarding it was one of the hardest steps I took in recovery.
I USED to believe it...and when I discarded it I have gone 25 more years of labor w/o a problem. Even when I worked with a broken vertebrae and didn't know it.

Total 'medieval structural medicine' to quote Sarno.

The implications are the base of ergonomic industry is sketchy: chairs, pillows/cushions, back/neck/shoulder/knee/wrist/foot braces, adjustable desks, mattresses, couches, safety videos of ergonomics, physical therapy, rolfing, massages, etc.

 

[Baseball65]

The implications are the base of ergonomic industry is sketchy: chairs, pillows/cushions, back/neck/shoulder/knee/wrist/foot braces, adjustable desks, mattresses, couches, safety videos of ergonomics, physical therapy, rolfing, massages, etc.

This is the same mechanism that makes 'peer reviewed' science so sketchy.
People with 'skin in the game' such as : Businesses, Products, Department chairs, money and prestige cannot allow Sarno to be true.
It's not just with Sarno. I am a History Buff and study chronologies. You can't even get a paper published that counters the 'orthodox narrative'. "consensus", 'well established' etc. If you try, you are called a 'kook' or 'pseudoscientist' and relegated to being a punchline. Like Sarno did.
Remember that Young gal's post a few days back? She's pushing against MONEY. They have a vested interest in shouting down Sarno.

"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident" -Schopenhauer

 

[Rabscuttle]

This is the same mechanism that makes 'peer reviewed' science so sketchy.
People with 'skin in the game' such as : Businesses, Products, Department chairs, money and prestige cannot allow Sarno to be true.
It's not just with Sarno. I am a History Buff and study chronologies. You can't even get a paper published that counters the 'orthodox narrative'. "consensus", 'well established' etc. If you try, you are called a 'kook' or 'pseudoscientist' and relegated to being a punchline. Like Sarno did.
Remember that Young gal's post a few days back? She's pushing against MONEY. They have a vested interest in shouting down Sarno.

"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident" -Schopenhauer

You are so right. I work in veterinary medicine. It’s the same thing there with early spaying and neutering. Bogus supposedly peer reviewed studies (which now some people realize have high degrees of bias) from decades ago indicating that performing these elective surgeries on dogs* prior to full maturity was good for the animal. Now more and more studies have come out indicating that these surgeries at specific time frames are associated with joint diseases, increased risks of cancers and hormonal disorders. Yet these surgeries are still being performed every single day on prepubescent (or even younger) animals. It’s absolutely about money, for decades it has been a golden goose. And now if confronted, veterinarians will shift the goal posts and say it’s about population control, or just flat out lie about the purported benefits.

in addition to just being about profit motive, the psychological ramifications are immense, doctors (for humans and animals alike) have had their egos stroked by society for so long, and many of them believe they can do no wrong, so as the evidence mounts that they are not following science, it’s easier to bury their heads in the sand than to acknowledge that they are doing real corporeal (and spiritual) harm to their patients.

Money has made sheep of us all!

nevertheless the truth will out!

*if they do studies on other species subject to early spaying and neutering, it is incredibly likely they would find similar results. But something tells me the funding just won’t be there for any such research.

 

[Baseball65]

I work in veterinary medicine.

I just had a ...uh...issue with 'veterinary medicine'
Our dog might have had a stroke or something? We took him to the vet and they gave him trazadone. THEN he had a bunch of seizures!! So, a bunch of money later, we're thinking the trazadone was the problem, not the solution.
I know trazadone was invented as a SSRI...we wanted him to calm down. Valium? Xanax? Nope...gotta be trazadone.

Off label use like that is a perfect example of them selling you something because they have too much money invested in it for it to fail.

By the way...best new forum name in a long time! I love @Rabscuttle and El Ahrairah!

 

[Thomas M. Shields]

Injuries felt at the time? Not necessarily. Repetitive strain and overload type injuries tend to creep up on one.