"Iatrogenic" Schubiner "Unlearn your pain"

Baseball65

Baseball65

Beloved Grand Eagle
I always stop and look up words I do not understand, particularly if I am reading something important.

IATROGENIC "relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment."

I would submit that many of our symptoms and conditioning is the result of Iatrogenic origin.
I have a bit of a quandary whenever I have an 'issue' that I don't recognize. Over 25 years+ I have gone from being a bit of a Hypochondriac who rushed to the Doctor, to absolutely terrified to see a Doctor because I am sensitive to IATROGENIC symptoms.
A few times I have rejected being X-rayed or tested. When it has been mandatory for insurance reasons, I have reluctantly agreed, but always with the Caveat "Fine... do NOT tell me what you 'discover'"

The word IATROGENIC is on Pg. 59 of "Unlearn your pain" by Schubiner

So far, this book has been super engrossing. It is like Reading the Psychological portions of Sarno, but on steroids.
I forget when I am journaling or writing about anger. I have selectively deleted most of the most painful memories and conditioning from my life. Slowly reading this text has shaken a bunch loose.

Just like with "Healing Back Pain" and "Mindbody Prescription" I am turning the statements into Questions. I had to finally set down the Hi-liter pen because the majority of the text feels like he followed me around for 60 years. There is always comfort in finding out you are 'average'. and....IATROGENICALLY sensitive.
 
Wow! Love this! I have the book, but I read it about 4 years ago when this TMS bout started, before really going on The Journey. Before 3years of therapy and finding this forum. So much just didn’t soak in You have me interested with: “It is like Reading the Psychological portions of Sarno, but on steroids.” Time to get that book out again.

Baseball65 said:
I would submit that many of our symptoms and conditioning is the result of Iatrogenic origin.
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Oh I agree! You even warned me when my dr. told me I was weak from deconditioning (for having Covid for a few weeks). It didn’t make sense at all and you pointed that out. But I wanted to have a “reason” for why I was weak and unbalanced. (No way it could be TMS.) Guess what?! Yes, way. It’s TMS, and I wasted some time by not realizing that. I let it settle in some more.
 
Baseball, I totally relate to you when you say you used to run to the doctor, then became terrified of them. I’ve always been terrified of them, expecting them to find the worst. It has been a life long affliction. My biggest fear is a false- positive finding. Now I don’t want to see them at all and I know this isn’t logical. I’m working on this negative mindset.
I have to see a specialist in March to have something checked out. I think about that appointment every day, and that obsession is wasting valuable time on this planet.
I enjoyed Dr. Shubiner’s book- a very knowledgeable guy!
 
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I’m a lucky one because I started rejecting Dr.’s opinions when one told me to start the “world’s biggest Loser” workout DVD’s (geared towards weight loss when I was about 30lbs underweight).. instead of having the courage to say he thought my pain was psychosomatic and offering an introduction to TMS. Clearly he believed in it, and yet either way I was not going to be his patient. I haven’t seen my current Dr. in years!
 
Baseball65 said:
I always stop and look up words I do not understand, particularly if I am reading something important.

IATROGENIC "relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment."

I would submit that many of our symptoms and conditioning is the result of Iatrogenic origin.
I have a bit of a quandary whenever I have an 'issue' that I don't recognize. Over 25 years+ I have gone from being a bit of a Hypochondriac who rushed to the Doctor, to absolutely terrified to see a Doctor because I am sensitive to IATROGENIC symptoms.
A few times I have rejected being X-rayed or tested. When it has been mandatory for insurance reasons, I have reluctantly agreed, but always with the Caveat "Fine... do NOT tell me what you 'discover'"

The word IATROGENIC is on Pg. 59 of "Unlearn your pain" by Schubiner

So far, this book has been super engrossing. It is like Reading the Psychological portions of Sarno, but on steroids.
I forget when I am journaling or writing about anger. I have selectively deleted most of the most painful memories and conditioning from my life. Slowly reading this text has shaken a bunch loose.

Just like with "Healing Back Pain" and "Mindbody Prescription" I am turning the statements into Questions. I had to finally set down the Hi-liter pen because the majority of the text feels like he followed me around for 60 years. There is always comfort in finding out you are 'average'. and....IATROGENICALLY sensitive.
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Going through a bit of a relapse which has hit the mental part and am feeling truly in the dumps. No pain symptoms but not a big surprise there since I'm no longer afraid of that. I am going to take a look at this book again (along with Unlearn Your Anxiety and Depression) more in depth. Both sitting on my bookshelf.
 
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Going through a bit of a relapse which has hit the mental part and am feeling truly in the dumps. No pain symptoms but not a big surprise there since I'm no longer afraid of that. I am going to take a look at this book again (along with Unlearn Your Anxiety and Depression) more in depth. Both sitting on my bookshelf.
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There is something uplifting in beginning to understand why we are the way we are. Also, reading his book and stopping to make notes reminds me of how very lonely and sick my childhood was...and I usually get up from reading feeling better??!!
I am like Ebenezer Scrooge waking up on Xmas Morning, except I am yelling:

"Hey....I am conditioned like a lab rat to be the way I am, but it's all gonna be ok!!! ....cause now that I am aware of it, I am no longer interested in anything I have to offer myself!"

That was how I felt the first time I ever felt the presence of God. I'm not very religious but I am very Aware that God loves us, always has and that this is fleeting and temporary. In fact, when I couldn't get out of Pain, he brought me Sarno...so clearly he didn't want me to be in pain anymore....or any of you guys either!!!

or depressed...or sad.... Sandy Beach once said

"God can remove all of your pain and sorrow.....but ANGER? : You are on your Own with that."

in fact, that is probably why Jesus warned us all so specifically about anger...it's the one thing God can't remove!!
But Dr. Sarno taught us how to find it, excavate it and move on.
 
Baseball65 said:
Hey....I am conditioned like a lab rat to be the way I am, but it's all gonna be ok!!! ....cause now that I am aware of it, I am no longer interested in anything I have to offer myself!"
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Ohmygosh Yes!
Baseball65 said:
when I couldn't get out of Pain, he brought me Sarno...so clearly he didn't want me to be in pain anymore....or any of you guys either!!!
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Very true, logical and hopeful! I’m going to remind myself of this! thank you so much for this beautiful post!
 
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