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Help with actually implementing

FeatherFoot

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Hi, I have been learning about TMS and following it since last year, and think I am quite educated on what to do. But I still find the actual implementing part so difficult. My symptoms are bladder and stomach related, where I get stomach pain and also frequent urination. Mainly scared of needing the toilet to due to both the bladder and bowel issues.
I find that so hard to overcome, because it is a natural thing unlike pain, and there's consequences to it. Because sometimes you do actually need to use the toilet, so I get scared of getting caught without a toilet nearby. And during my practice of trying to overcome this, I try to take walks away from toilets, and get afraid of sensations coming on. And sometimes I do actually need to use a toilet. So there are times where it's a real thing and not really fear caused by the brain, I guess that's what's tripping me up. Like it's hard to tell myself that it's just the brain producing or amplifying sensations when sometimes it IS real, and can be real.

I'm not really sure what to do at this point, because I have watched so many videos about it and I'm not sure how to get more help. Like if I were to get a coach, I'm thinking what could they even tell me that I don't already know? It's just that I find it so hard to do.

Wondering if anyone has similar experiences? Looking for advice on what to do in this situation. Much appreciated!
 
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Have you done any TMS programs?

you’re falling into the trap of thinking your situation is totally unique. Yes it’s frustrating because urgency to go absolutely adds another element of navigating life while in chronic pain. You’re making a mistake in emphasizing your sensations are real. Every single person in this space is dealing with something real, it may not be as ‘physical’ in nature as yours, but the pain and impact on their lives is absolutely real. All these sensations are generated in the brain. (Assuming you’ve been cleared by a doctor) yeah you might have muscle tension or nerve irritation leading to the urgency but ultimately the brain is the thing causing these issues. I dealt with pudendal neuralgia and urgency for a month long before I was TMS aware, yeah it absolutely sucked, so I do commiserate with you, but you’re going to have to shift out of victimhood mentality, start believing in the TMS diagnosis, have faith that you’ll get out of this, and start digging into what’s causing your situation.

as for the physical specifics of urgency and what to do. You could wear a diaper (I’m not kidding). You may have to modify your life a bit while managing this specific symptom. But if you’re just fixated on that aspect and frustrated then you’re missing the underlying picture of what drove you to this state of dysfunction.
 
So there are times where it's a real thing and not really fear caused by the brain, I guess that's what's tripping me up.

I have some ideas, but firstly I want to clarify this. Have you had all of the testing done and what has it said? Because say I humour you with this (even though Rabscuttle is correct in that TMS is just as real) and say ok, it's not TMS and not caused by the brain, then what is it caused by? You have to have an alternate explanation, because dysfunction in the body never happens for no reason. If all the testing is clear, then it's hard to imagine what else it could be but TMS (there's a very very high likelihood it's TMS if testing is clear).

You're right in that this is what is tripping you up, there's an implementation problem because of the belief problem.
 
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I'm not really sure what to do at this point, because I have watched so many videos about it and I'm not sure how to get more help. Like if I were to get a coach, I'm thinking what could they even tell me that I don't already know? It's just that I find it so hard to do.

This sounds very passive and a more active approach is required for recovery. Acquiring knowledge about TMS is part of the recovery process, but it will only take you so far. You need to dig in and start applying the learning. As @Rabscuttle asked above, Are you doing any TMS programs? A daily commitment to the application of TMS principles and techniques is required.

Your statement about a TMS coach is also very passive. A good coach will not just tell you stuff, they will help direct and guide through the application of TMS techniques.
 
It's not that I don't believe it is TMS, it's that it can be TMS amplifying the sensations but there are also times when I do actually need a toilet so it's hard to differentiate.

What programs are you referring to? I use the Curable app, and also trying to live my life normally while giving less thought to it. But it is still difficult so just looking for advice.

And I'm also asking about how a coach can benefit me, because I think I might need some more help, but since I have never gotten coaching before, I don't know what they can tell me that the current videos online don't already say. For example, how are they different from Dan Buglio's daily videos?

I don't think the original post has a victimhood mentality. I said yes I'm still struggling, but I'm also trying, and asking whether there are advice or if there is a point in getting more help. I did mention that I feel like my symptoms has a different challenge from pain, in my opinion. But I don't think it's worse or anything, other symptoms like pain/fatigue/dizziness can be even more debilitating especially if there are serious.
 
It's not that I don't believe it is TMS, it's that it can be TMS amplifying the sensations but there are also times when I do actually need a toilet so it's hard to differentiate.

What programs are you referring to? I use the Curable app, and also trying to live my life normally while giving less thought to it. But it is still difficult so just looking for advice.

And I'm also asking about how a coach can benefit me, because I think I might need some more help, but since I have never gotten coaching before, I don't know what they can tell me that the current videos online don't already say. For example, how are they different from Dan Buglio's daily videos?

So I think with this it's a case of calling your bladder's bluff (or more accurately your brain's bluff, your bladder isn't doing anything different). This isn't pumping up my own tyres (I feel this about other coaches) but the below is why coaching can be valuable. People who create videos can't really be this specific (unless their channel only focuses on specific symptoms - so if you had a channel that is dedicated to urgency and frequency you could be privy to this), as if they were and they were addressing individual circumstances they'd have a billion videos (and there wouldn't be universal application so there'd be no point in sending it to a mass audience). That's in response to your query about how a coach could provide more than Dan's videos as an example (I love Dan by the way and he helped me a lot, so that's not a knock on him).

Say we have an imaginary line in our bladder, at 3/4 full (like a petrol tank). Every time we hit that line, our brain reacts and we need to go - this is completely healthy and necessary to protect the relevant organs.

What's happening here (assuming TMS) is the alarm is going off say at 1/2 tank and 1/3 tank unnecessarily. So we need to retrain our brain to only react to the 3/4 full (as is normal - I am not a urologist I'm just making these fractions up to illustrate the point). What's happening, and this isn't blame because I did the same thing, is every time you react to the 1/2 or 1/3 imaginary line you are confirming to the brain that it was correct to send the message at that level, which strengthens the conditioning.

You're right though in terms of how do I know the difference? It isn't as if you can measure it yourself. You need to use logic, rely on the knowledge of your normal habits and also react appropriately to what happens when you do go to the toilet.

I'll discuss the last one first. So obviously you should note and it should land in your mind when you go and nothing happens (if that happens in your case), that's obviously powerful and good evidence that you didn't need to go. But you need to avoid getting sucked into confirming your behaviour in another way here. What I mean is when you do rush to the toilet and you end up going, that doesn't necessarily mean that you actually needed to go (which from what you've written it seems like you are under that impression). How does that make sense? Well if we are operating normally, then you should only feel the urge at 3/4 full. Just because you haven't felt that urge under normal conditions, doesn't mean you couldn't go if you tried. It's like when you were a kid, and your parents told you to try to go before a road trip even if you felt like you didn't. Then you did and you were able to (often to the child's surprise - because they don't understand that you can go without the urge, because it doesn't trigger until 3/4 full). You might have been 1/2 full so you were able to go, even if the urge wasn't there. What I mean is because your sensor is off, just because you were able to go didn't mean you had to, as the sensor wouldn't have gone off under normal conditions. If, however, when you go under these circumstances you tell yourself "see, I really did need to go" that's not necessarily correct and it may be telling your brain that it was right tell you you that you needed to go, which is only confirming the mistake (i.e. confirming that it was right to tell you that you needed to go at 1/2 full when that's not what we want and that isn't normal function).

The first two (logic and your normal habits) overlap. So say you go to the toilet and then you need to go 20 minutes later, despite not drinking during that time. For most people, that's not normal (unless there's another issue) so that clearly points to TMS in those situations. Another sign is how badly you need to go. For most, there won't be a massive urge to go (you won't be busting immediately) unless either you've drank a lot of water quickly or you've held it in for quite some time. It usually starts more gradually and builds up. If you're getting massive urges to go multiple times a day, then that's even more evidence that it's likely TMS. If the logic isn't adding up, then you need to resist the urge to run to the toilet and you need to sit with the urge - reacting differently to it is the only way you're going to convince the brain that it's a false alarm. Knowing how often you go is also important, as assuming you keep the same levels of hydration (now is not the time to play with hydration levels in my opinion as that will only add another variable to confuse you), that will be another indicator.

The underlying emotional work is separate to this (I split it into two parts, this first part around symptoms and how you act around them, which revolves around your belief in the TMS diagnosis, and the second part is working on overall safety which looks at your emotions, personality traits etc and what likely led to this in the first place - this is crucial because we don't want to turn this into a case of mastering every type of symptom, as new symptoms can arise if the underlying emotional work isn't done).

The reason I asked you about the tests (and I'll ask again) is because if you still think something is wrong with you, it's very hard to implement the above. What I suggested will seem risky to you, and you won't be able to avoid going to the toilet if you think there's something wrong that you could cause more damage to (which is fair enough, I would be the same and I wouldn't want someone to engage in the above without that assurance - you shouldn't take risks with a potential structural problem). If you haven't gotten the relevant tests and you still have doubt around whether there's a structural cause, that's definitely the first thing to do before anything above.

Hope that helps :)
 
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Hi, this was helpful, thank you. It's still difficult for me to trust that "I'm not full yet, I'm fine", so it's still a learning process. Sometimes I handle it better, sometimes it frustrates me and I wonder how I would ever be able to overcome it. There are times where I tell myself that I'm fine, don't use the bathroom just in case, and then get caught outside as the urgency builds and that scares me a lot. But I have made some progress since the start of the year.

Regarding the testing, I have seen multiple specialists and have gone quite far in the medical world, which led me to eventually accept TMS. Which is probably the story of many others in the TMS world.

I saw that Dan and some others offer group coaching, I'm wondering how that is as compared to actual private coaching? It seems like a sharing and Q&A session based on what they describe. So I'm kind of on the fence whether it would be as helpful since it feels less targeted. But I think the upside is that there is a community going through this, sharing their experiences. There are very few TMS practitioners near me since this isn't a well known thing still. Did you join a group or private coaching during your recovery journey?

I also really like Yonit Arthur's videos, although she is more focused on dizziness. I suppose it doesn't matter since for TMS, it's not really about the symptoms. But I tend to search for success stories of people with similar symptoms since it's more relatable.
 
Hi, this was helpful, thank you. It's still difficult for me to trust that "I'm not full yet, I'm fine", so it's still a learning process. Sometimes I handle it better, sometimes it frustrates me and I wonder how I would ever be able to overcome it. There are times where I tell myself that I'm fine, don't use the bathroom just in case, and then get caught outside as the urgency builds and that scares me a lot. But I have made some progress since the start of the year.

You're welcome! I appreciate that and I'm glad you've made some progress :)

Regarding the testing, I have seen multiple specialists and have gone quite far in the medical world, which led me to eventually accept TMS.

Did you actually get the tick off or are there still doubts based on what they've told you? I.e. Was it an acceptance of TMS because no one else could provide you an explanation or did someone tell you something else but you decided on TMS?

I saw that Dan and some others offer group coaching, I'm wondering how that is as compared to actual private coaching? It seems like a sharing and Q&A session based on what they describe. So I'm kind of on the fence whether it would be as helpful since it feels less targeted. But I think the upside is that there is a community going through this, sharing their experiences. There are very few TMS practitioners near me since this isn't a well known thing still. Did you join a group or private coaching during your recovery journey?

I actually did Dan's group coaching! It's good for community and feeling as if you're not alone absolutely, but there's limited time and if others get in before you to ask their questions, you might not get much specialised advice. It might be worth a month though in terms of cost in order to see how you like it (I think you get his video series too as part of the package from memory). If you do manage to get your question in, then it can provide great benefit (he's very good).

I had my own coach towards the end of the journey and probably preferred it (that + Dan's group coaching was the extent of my coaching - I also did Nicole Sach's course but that was self-led).

also really like Yonit Arthur's videos, although she is more focused on dizziness. I suppose it doesn't matter since for TMS, it's not really about the symptoms. But I tend to search for success stories of people with similar symptoms since it's more relatable.

She is great! You gave me a reason to share this short of hers which I've been meaning to as well :) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/67Bf_nsY5hQ
 
I had my own coach towards the end of the journey and probably preferred it (that + Dan's group coaching was the extent of my coaching - I also did Nicole Sach's course but that was self-led).
Just curious if you are willing to share who you worked with for coaching o if you have recommendations? Not sure if that's appropriate to ask here so if it's not, no worries!
 
I think it's a mix of nothing being found, multiple specialists and the diagnosis is either "wastebasket" diagnosis like IBS/irritable bladder, or stress, so to me TMS is the only explanation left. And also because it started during a stressful time. But unlike some others, I can't really identify triggers, the symptoms are more random, so in that area it's not so convincing yet. I have heard stories of people where they say that symptoms are a lot better when they are on vacation, or when stressful events past, and that's not really true in my case. I don't really notice significant changes to my symptoms. I do get more afraid of the bladder and stomach pains if I'm not near a toilet or in places where I can't leave immediately, but I believe that is normal for everyone, even those who are "normal". And also because sometimes the stomach pain (or bladder) do actually mean I need a toilet. So I can't always convince myself that my stomach pain is just TMS and don't mean anything.

There are some evidence of it probably being TMS like certain symptoms going away when I eventually ignored them and cared less. But those symptoms are less debilitating so it's easier to be indifferent to them. Unlike for example trying to be on public transport with bladder or stomach issues and then convincing myself that I'm fine. I still try to go out, both as practice to learn to be indifferent, and also to try to live normally and attend to responsibilities, but I don't look forward to it. And sometimes I still avoid by turning down invitations.
 
Just curious if you are willing to share who you worked with for coaching o if you have recommendations? Not sure if that's appropriate to ask here so if it's not, no worries!

I used 3 coaches. One wasn't good at all - it was not a personality problem. I liked her as a person, she was just not a good coach and no longer does this work. The second I used only uses a Somatic basis mixed with a little of Alan Gordon's ideas. I learned some great skills to help with my nervous system but her skills were limited because she was not a psychologist and had no experience with that side of things. After 12 sessions I felt I could have learned all that she was teaching in two or three sessions.
The third coach I used was completely different. We already knew each other and actually discovered TMS together (I stopped using her for awhile and tried two others before working together again) She became a TMS coach while we were working together and her attitude was completely different than the other two coaches. Things gelled after only a few sessions together (we still meet once every 6 months - a year). However didn't want to be tied to a computer to coach people and has moved on from doing that.

My suggestion is to look at the Pain Reprocessing website and gather a few names. Look at their personal websites and see what their background is beyond Pain Reprocessing. Usually there is a statement about their philosophy behind chronic pain, perhaps look to see if they have experienced and used the techniques they teach if that's important to you. If you are in the UK SIRPA offers a list of all their trained practitioners. In the US the website symptomatic.me offers a list but you must join their organization to access the list (not expensive to join). There is not a large group of practicing coaches or clinicians in Canada that are specifically TMS coaches but there is a group in Calgary who are working to change that and have a number of coaches and therapists.

My suggestion is to look at these places and see if someone resonates with you. I feel like choosing a coach is very personal and something you need to look into yourself.
 
My suggestion is to look at these places and see if someone resonates with you. I feel like choosing a coach is very personal and something you need to look into yourself.

I agree and most coaches offer a free call so I would shop around - like Cactusflower said it's not a decision to be taken lightly and clicking with the coach is very important (I encourage this as a coach myself to shop around - it doesn't bother me and I think it's smart/I'd do the same).

@Cactusflower it might be because you are on a phone (I struggled to find it on my phone) but I'm able to access the ATNS (symptomatic.me) directory without logging in on computer (I'm a member but I made sure I was logged out first to test it - so I'm confident it's publicly available without needing to register).

Here it is: https://www.symptomatic.me/practitioner-directory

PRT one: https://www.painreprocessingtherapy.com/directory-of-practitioners-new/ (Directory of Practitioners - Pain Reprocessing Therapy Institute)
 
so to me TMS is the only explanation left.

Great!

But unlike some others, I can't really identify triggers, the symptoms are more random, so in that area it's not so convincing yet.

If you're concerned about the symptoms as much as you are (not a judgment, I understand why), then it's hard to see the forest for the trees so to speak and it's very difficult to make the emotional connections. The more your attention comes off of the symptoms and the more you can relax, the easier it will be to make those links (that is, if they even exist - it could be a case that once you work with these symptoms in the correct manner they could simply go based on your belief alone in the TMS diagnosis - that's why I often focus on this first).

I have heard stories of people where they say that symptoms are a lot better when they are on vacation, or when stressful events past, and that's not really true in my case.

It doesn't have to be. Some people become more stressed on vacation (especially TMS personalities as they often feel guilty when they aren't working and for taking down time). You don't have to tick all the boxes for it to be TMS.

I do get more afraid of the bladder and stomach pains if I'm not near a toilet or in places where I can't leave immediately, but I believe that is normal for everyone, even those who are "normal".

Is it? If by "normal" you mean people without symptoms or other issues, I've never heard of anyone in that position becoming terrified by a situation purely because a bathroom isn't near by. I don't get scared (assuming I fall into the category of what you meant by normal now that I've recovered) but I just hold it in and wait for an opportunity where I can use a toilet. Don't convince yourself that you can't change your own behaviour.

And also because sometimes the stomach pain (or bladder) do actually mean I need a toilet. So I can't always convince myself that my stomach pain is just TMS and don't mean anything.

As I said above, I think you are making a mindset error here, because what you seem to be saying is that when you feel the urge and then you actually go, that means you needed to go. Under normal circumstances, that's true, but like I said above your sensor is going off at 1/2 full rather than 3/4 full (incorrectly). So technically you didn't need to go - just because you were able to go (as I explained above), doesn't mean that you needed to go ( I could try and go right now and I probably could to a degree - that doesn't mean I necessarily needed to it just meant that my bladder wasn't completely empty, which it doesn't have to be). Given you're under this misapprehension, I'm not surprised that you feel stuck and feel like can't change your mindset.

There are some evidence of it probably being TMS like certain symptoms going away when I eventually ignored them and cared less.

You say evidence of it "probably" being TMS. Fair enough, but you using "probably" instead of "clearly" or "obviously" still means you have some doubt. So what is the doubt? What's the alternate explanation? What do you feel as if it could be if it isn't TMS? You must have another explanation, otherwise there'd be no doubt (it can't be nothing, it has to be something - it doesn't happen for no reason). It's crucial to identify your doubt, because you have no chance of combatting it if you don't know what it is (like anything).
 
By "normal" people still worrying I mean if someone were having a stomachache or maybe had a lot to drink, I assume they may be afraid of going somewhere without a bathroom. Like sometimes when people take medical leave on days where they are not feeling well. On the other hand, I get that they are also less afraid of sensations than I am. For example, when people feel like they kind of need a toilet but isn't too urgent yet, they can put it off and say "I'll just use a toilet when I reach my destination". But for me that's still worrying and I probably would get anxious, or would just look for a toilet right away before continuing on my journey.

Yeah a lot of times I know that I'm not full yet, but since the sensations feel amplified for me, even at 1/2 full it's still difficult. Like sometimes I can estimate that I'm maybe only 1/2 full, but the sensations are already getting pretty strong. I am trying to learn to be ok and allow the sensations, and that's where I'm struggling. Have seen lots of success stories where they said they just slowly overcame it and I'm like, "Wait, how?". Currently, I am trying to just get repetitions in of teaching my brain that it's fine, like taking walks outside, going out to nearby malls to buy groceries etc. The plan now is to just do more repetitions without worrying too much about doing more difficult things, basically just only making the leap if I feel ready, and not planning it out. Not sure when and how I'm going to make the leap, maybe I'll know when the day comes. Sometimes when watching Dan's videos and he mentions to just do it, I'm not sure how. So currently I'm just doing what I consider micro steps of exposure.

Do we need an alternate explanation to say it must be TMS? To me it's just for these sensations that went away, it could be TMS, or could be just time or somehow it got better. It's not like I took a pill and things got better so I can definitely say it's the medication. The sensations went away after a long time, so I just say it "could be", it "probably is" etc.
But then again my current opinion is that I don't think it matters whether I'm sure if those sensations are TMS. I could be wrong, but it feels like those sensations are much easier to be ok with and didn't affect me as much as the current urgency issues, so it's easier to just allow them. Maybe the conclusion is that I need to be able to tell myself that this urgency sensation at 1/2 full is fine, which is the challenge now. Because right now I can try to tell myself that I'm only 1/2 full, it's TMS amplifying it, but another part of me thinks but it doesn't matter even if it's just an amplified sensation, since it still feels so urgent and scary.

I did try to find a psychologist before learning about TMS. And they mentioned things like exposure which I struggled with at that time. So I am a bit doubtful how additional help looks like since I assume I would just be told to try to be ok with it, which is what I'm already practicing. The knowledge of TMS did allow me to be more patient with the process, and give more hope that I'll just need to teach myself safety and I'll get better.
 
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It's not that I don't believe it is TMS, it's that it can be TMS amplifying the sensations but there are also times when I do actually need a toilet so it's hard to differentiate.

What programs are you referring to? I use the Curable app, and also trying to live my life normally while giving less thought to it. But it is still difficult so just looking for advice.

And I'm also asking about how a coach can benefit me, because I think I might need some more help, but since I have never gotten coaching before, I don't know what they can tell me that the current videos online don't already say. For example, how are they different from Dan Buglio's daily videos?

I don't think the original post has a victimhood mentality. I said yes I'm still struggling, but I'm also trying, and asking whether there are advice or if there is a point in getting more help. I did mention that I feel like my symptoms has a different challenge from pain, in my opinion. But I don't think it's worse or anything, other symptoms like pain/fatigue/dizziness can be even more debilitating especially if there are serious.
I didn’t mean victimhood mentality as an attack or anything, it’s kind of the natural initial,reaction to the situation we’re in. It’s also natural if we grew up in dysfunction, which many tmsers did. I was just kinda of referring to your emphasis on it being real in comparison to others situations. Just that you put too much meaning on the specifics of your situation or the specialness. Again I get it. If there’s this huge fear about needing access to a toilet to urinate then honestly adult diapers are not a wrong stop gap to manage this while you figure out the next steps.

you’re not going to go from feeling full/ having to go to causing irreparable harm to your organs in an hour or 2 if you don’t have access to the toilet. A) the body isn’t that fragile, and B) your bladder isn’t as full as you’re thinking it is. I work in veterinary medicine and cats frequently get urinary blockages. I’ve seen cats literally go like 24-36 hours without urinating and many eventually recover with little long term harm. You aren’t going a full day without urinating. Try and stop thinking your body is so delicate.

programs as in the structured educational program on this site. Nicole Sachs’s has one, there’s the pain reprocessing therapy workbook etc. you need structure in the beginning especially when the symptoms are taking you for a mental rollercoaster ride.

and I think Dan is great I did his group coaching when I first became TMS aware for a month. I think some people need a little more hands on than just Dans approach but it varies. This is a highly individualized process. It requires frequent adaptation and adjustment. For many of us ( me too!) our inner worlds are absolute utter messes, so just approaching this from the lens of I need to respond better to symptoms probably isn’t enough. I needed some bigger changes. Non guided spiritual based meditation helped me loads and got me out of the darkest period of my life. Personally if I could go back to when I first became TMS aware Id wish I stuck with dans approach and just added a dedicate meditation practice on top of it. Because meditation, when used as a tool to reflect with yourself and connect with god and your higher self can help you start loving yourself, and I think many of us are missing that. Some people need to really dig into the past and figure out why they are this way, some need help tapping into their emotional world. Programs can help with these things.
 
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I am trying to learn to be ok and allow the sensations, and that's where I'm struggling.

That's the right idea for sure, and I understand the struggle.

Have seen lots of success stories where they said they just slowly overcame it and I'm like, "Wait, how?".

Granted this wasn't my first TMS symptom, but once I got the tick off from the doctor that nothing was wrong (and I got a clear urine test), then I said to myself well the worst thing that can happen if I hold it in too much is if I wet myself (that's not ideal obviously - but I had enough control not to luckily) - I won't be doing further damage internally (echoing what @Rabscuttle said above), and this assurance enabled me to take more "risks" (it's not really a risk but it will be in your mind) and call my brain's bluff more. Sometimes I did need to go, but the more I didn't react with fear and panic to me needing to go (which is the issue), the better it got. That's the key.

Do we need an alternate explanation to say it must be TMS? To me it's just for these sensations that went away, it could be TMS, or could be just time or somehow it got better. It's not like I took a pill and things got better so I can definitely say it's the medication. The sensations went away after a long time, so I just say it "could be", it "probably is" etc.

No to the first question - but it's good to appreciate if there is an alternate explanation in your mind, so you can combat that with TMS evidence (a big part of this is conquering fear and doubt). I mean you could just wait it out and hope these symptoms go away like the others did, but if you're confident they are TMS then you don't need to be that passive (and you don't need to necessarily waste time waiting). If I did that with my symptoms I would have been waiting until the day I died, because I had them for 6 years. I know for a fact they were TMS because I treated them as such and recovered, there was no doubt about it.

Because right now I can try to tell myself that I'm only 1/2 full, it's TMS amplifying it, but another part of me thinks but it doesn't matter even if it's just an amplified sensation, since it still feels so urgent and scary.

That's why I mention belief because you say they are so scary, the key is addressing that fear. If the worst thing that can happen is that you wet yourself, why is there so much fear? If you answer that question and address it, then that will allow indifference. The reason belief in the TMS diagnosis is important is because the major driver of fear in relation to symptoms (at least in the beginning) is the most obvious one - that people think pain=damage and that there is something wrong with them (which is fair enough). That's why book cures happen, once people know they are actually okay, their fear dies and they recover (because the fear was fuelling the symptoms). Address why it feels so urgent and scary, and that will open up the indifference that allowed you to heal your other symptoms :)
 
@Rabscuttle no worries. I thought that was slightly harsh but since we are just typing on forums, it's easy to misunderstand each other. Thanks for sharing, I agree regarding your view on Dan's approach. I feel like his approach is the most direct, simplifying it down to fear and overcoming the fear. I do think that the fear is a huge part of what's keeping the symptoms alive, but his approach also feels the most difficult. Which is why I'm also looking at other coaches, but maybe that's out of fear too, like "please tell me Dan's approach is not the only way and something like meditation/journaling can help too". But I guess the different approaches target different areas to healing, and confronting my fears is still a huge part that ultimately needs to be overcome. My fear is more towards having an accident than actually doing harm to myself, but I guess it's the same concept. I do have all the personality traits like perfectionism, being self-critical and being extremely impatient and always rushing and trying to be productive.

@Adam Coloretti (coach) Yeah I think that's something I really need to learn to do. I guess I fear it because it will be extremely embarrassing. But that's something I need to learn to be ok with. Both learning to trust that I won't have an accident since nothing has happened before, and also even if it did, it's just an unfortunate event and we move on. It feels so much easier said than done, so still taking micro steps and hopefully I slowly build it up and learn to be ok with stronger and stronger sensations.
 
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It feels so much easier said than done, so still taking micro steps and hopefully I slowly build it up and learn to be ok with stronger and stronger sensations.

Yep - and give yourself comfort that nothing is wrong with you based on the tests - it's far better for the extent of the problem to be embarrassment compared to if you were putting your organs at risk - I would be relieved at that :)
 
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