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Endone withdrawal

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by Steelejohn157, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. Steelejohn157

    Steelejohn157 Newcomer

    i am coming off opioids and now only use endone for breakthroughs. I know I can get relief within an hour if I take 2 endones. Is this an area where TMS can help?
  2. Dorado

    Dorado Beloved Grand Eagle

    Absolutely, and stay off all withdrawal forums. Withdrawal is valid and can happen, but I know from getting off SNRIs, SSRIs, and now Kavinace (phenibut) and 5-HTP that anxiety makes withdrawal last longer and feel much more painful. My brain zaps from SNRIs started greatly decreasing in intensity and frequency after I calmed down, and so did the panic attacks, derealization/depersonalization, and mood swings. I had to get an EEG to confirm to myself and my neurologist that the brain zaps weren’t seizures (a non-verified rumor I had read about on a withdrawal forum, of course!), and we also performed a test that looked at my serotonin, norepinephrine, cortisol, adrenaline, etc. Once I realized I was OK and that people with way worse neurotransmitter levels don’t have the symptoms I was dealing with, I significantly improved.

    Bottom line: I would've recovered sooner had I stopped visiting withdrawal forums where I read nothing but horror stories. I believe there's a psychogenic component to everything in life, even structural conditions like my congenital connective tissue disorder and genuine drug withdrawals, meaning that your perceptions and emotions can magnify everything.

    Withdrawal sensitizes your nervous system, and TMS may sometimes view this sensitization as a great opportunity to distract you, so the sensitization can continue for way longer than it should. Anxiety has been shown to continue stimulating the nervous system and slowing down the bodily repairs that occur after withdrawal (just like my brain zaps). There was actually a study performed on this topic, specifically looking at central sensitization in opioid withdrawal. One always needs to be careful when coming off a drug, but ignore anyone who says withdrawal is permanent. We’re all different from one another, but the body knows how to heal.

    A mind-body approach is best here: TMS work combined with healthy eating and light to moderate physical activity (unless you feel like more intense activity won’t make you anxious with an exercise-induced adrenaline rush). Meditate, visualize your body healing and already being healed, force yourself to laugh when you’re unhappy (it tricks the brain!), have fun in life, etc.

    For anxiety, just remember that it’s a normal sympathetic nervous system response, and your nervous system might be extra sensitive from withdrawal right now. Work on retraining your amygdala: https://www.unlearninganxiety.com/amygdala/ (Amygdala)

    If you need a natural supplement that can reduce/balance your cortisol and help with anxiety as well as better overall brain function, I recommend Phosphatidylserine. It’s non-addictive and doesn’t require tapering, so no withdrawal potential! It helped me with anxiety and out-of-whack cortisol from Cymbalta withdrawal: https://www.invitehealth.com/article-phosphatidylserine-a-superhero-for-your-brain.html (Phosphatidylserine: A Superhero for Your Brain)

    Meditation is a miracle for the release of healthy neurotransmitters that help you heal your overall nervous system faster: https://eocinstitute.org/meditation/dhea_gaba_cortisol_hgh_melatonin_serotonin_endorphins/ (7 Key Meditation Chemicals: Melatonin, Serotonin, GABA, DHEA, Endorphins – EOC Institute)

    Meditation also bypasses opioid receptors, for what it's worth: https://nccih.nih.gov/research/blog/mindfulness-meditation-pain (Mindfulness Meditation Reduces Pain, Bypasses Opioid Receptors)

    Of course, I’m sure you already know to work with a doctor and taper as appropriate.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2018
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