Dr. Sarno has succeeded, but he shall not prevail.

[pspa]

General TMS Subforums (in honor of Dr. John Sarno)

You fought this pointless fight incessantly on the other forum and now you are fighting it here. Nobody except you thinks the discussion needs to be limited to Dr. Sarno or those he specifically endorses. Look for example at the list of books on the main page.

http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Books_%26_DVDs,_etc (Books & DVDs, etc.).

Look at the list of practitioners and lo and behold you will see Dr. Schubiner and many others whose approaches are not pure Sarno.

http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist (Find a TMS Doctor or Therapist)

Maybe instead of constantly urging people who see the value in discussing other mindbody approaches to find someplace else to post -- one of your tired tropes -- you should find (or start) a forum limited to Dr. Sarno?

 

[JanAtheCPA]

Okay, guys - I'm shutting this thread down. I thought it had been wrapped up reasonably well, but it devolved again. I'm going to repeat Mike's excellent post so that it's the last one seen. I especially like his first line, and will repeat it again at the bottom.

One could get wrapped up in looking at all possible flaws between Dr Sarno, Dr Schubiner etc, however that's TMS'ing.

Most people who heal and heal quickly don't over think the material or make it more complex than it is, or read a countless number of books to try and find the answer. I feel trying to understand all of the differences adds very little, or no value in healing, in fact I think it can be counter productive and adds stress to an already trying time for some.

I can understand the rationale in debunking certain modalities which have no scientific grounding and educating people between good and bad medicine. However, I feel trying to debunk Dr Schiubiner, or writing post such as 'Dr Sarno is right and Dr Schubiner and Dr Hanscom are wrong', adds very little value. Especially since, nobody has all of the answers and wisdom can be found in each of their teachings. Much like the information on this forum, we need to decipher what's useful, not over analysing and learning to apply it in ones own environment.

That said, even Dr Sarnos work was evolving as his understanding in the realms of mind-body expanded. This was evident in the various books he has had published and who knows perhaps his thoughts may have veered towards Dr Schubiners model. I would therefore keep an open mind when reading text as it's not as clear cut as black or white and there are many paths that to reach wellbeing. It's not important as to how we get there, but more importantly that we get there.

To repeat Mike's very first point (edited just a bit for emphasis): "One could get wrapped up in looking at all possible flaws between Dr Sarno, Dr Schubiner etc... - however THAT is TMS'ing"

Thank you, my friend.

~Jan