does TMS pain just develop out of nowhere, or can it have a specific beginning?

[learningmore]

Let's say you develop back pain some day. It's TMS, sure.

But what if you stretched wrong and got back pain.

If it has a SPECIFIC ONSET, does that mean it's more likely to be injury? The theory of TMS has really got me thinking about the problems (injuries) I've had in my life and what was in my mind when I got them. It seems to me though that TMS pain apparently has a vague onset. It began hurting at some point. But if you do a specific thing, and THEN it starts hurting... is that LESS likely to be TMS? IIRC, generally every time I've had something like that happened I was at least quite anxious about SOMETHING.

 

[Cactusflower]

The beginning is always in the mind. The brain senses physical sensations, and chooses what to do with that information.

 

[JanAtheCPA]

The beginning is always in the mind. The brain senses physical sensations, and chooses what to do with that information.

I would like to clarify this statement, because it's really the opposite of this.

In the case of a real injury (a broken bone, a burn, a virus invading the body, etc), nerve messages are sent from the affected body part to the brain telling it that there's a problem. The brain creates a sensation, such as pain or nausea, to send back to the body part so that the injured individual will take appropriate action to protect the body (immobilize the bone, move from the fire, eject the stomach contents, etc). This is a neuroscientific fact.

It is also a neuroscientific fact, as shown in the phenomenon of phantom limb pain, that the brain is perfectly capable of creating sensations for a body part even when the body part no longer exists.

This is proof that the brain can do whatever the f*** it wants, for purposes sometimes unknown. Dr. Sarno's whole theory is based upon how the purpose behind this phenomenon is to create a distraction against experiencing dangerous emotions.

The intellectual problem that so many people have with this concept arises when attempting to comprehend the many manifestations of why, how and when the phenomenon occurs in any given individual. These manifestations are completely unique to each individual and this not something that can be measured, anticipated, or easily subjected to a rigid method of recovery. This is also a fact.

 

[Cactusflower]

My point is that you don't actually sense the pain in the actual body part, you sense it only because of the brain.
Eg. a broken disc - many people have no sensation that they have a nerve impingement in their disc - it's there, you can see it, but most people don't actually feel it. The brain has chosen what to do with that information.

 

[learningmore]

Allow me to ask the question more clearly.

Say you are doing something and you get hurt.

Say it's not something STRAIGHTFORWARD like a sprain. But you know how like sometimes you reach more than you should and you hurt something?

Did that happen as you were dealing with TMS? Or would it have happened anyway?

I think back to many of the times I've been hurt. In lots of them, I was dealing with uncomfortable emotional issues. I want to know if the depressing emotional issues are the reason you get hurt? Would you not have been hurt if you weren't dealing with them? Does the emotional issues cause the body to create injuries where they wouldn't otherwise have occurred?

I hope I am explaining this well.

 

[TG957]

Allow me to ask the question more clearly.

Say you are doing something and you get hurt.

Say it's not something STRAIGHTFORWARD like a sprain. But you know how like sometimes you reach more than you should and you hurt something?

Did that happen as you were dealing with TMS? Or would it have happened anyway?

I think back to many of the times I've been hurt. In lots of them, I was dealing with uncomfortable emotional issues. I want to know if the depressing emotional issues are the reason you get hurt? Would you not have been hurt if you weren't dealing with them? Does the emotional issues cause the body to create injuries where they wouldn't otherwise have occurred?

I hope I am explaining this well.

When you say "hurt" do you mean physical pain or emotional? It is still not clear.

 

[learningmore]

Physical pain. For example, this morning I hurt my back getting ready to start my day. I have a pulled muscle now for the next few days. I was very annoyed at some emotional things when this was happening.

Would it have happened if I HADN'T been annoyed at those things?

 

[TG957]

Physical pain. For example, this morning I hurt my back getting ready to start my day. I have a pulled muscle now for the next few days. I was very annoyed at some emotional things when this was happening.

Would it have happened if I HADN'T been annoyed at those things?

Connection can be indirect. Muscle tension is often a result of stress, so-called fight or flight response. Tense muscles are more likely to get injured. On the other hand, your stress has everything to do with your emotions, hence the connection.

 

[Diana-M]

I’ve actually wondered this myself. While doing TMS work, I have looked back over my history and I’ve had more than a handful of incidents where I got hurt while I was under a lot of stress. I have fallen down on city sidewalks multiple times, while stressed out about my job. I have slammed my finger in a car door when someone was visiting me who was very disturbing to me. I “accidentally” got so sunburned on a vacation that I had to stay in a few days (coincidentally didn’t want to be on that vacation). I broke my ankle and fell on my face (2 different events), both while with someone (else) who really disturbs me. Accidents? You tell me. More recently, if I have even a small TMS success, the very same day, I’ll fall or almost fall, and it sets me back. Even though I am aware of this capability, I am somehow not able to stop it. But lately, I’ll just say out loud: “I’m not going to get hurt. You can’t stop me from healing.” So far it is working.