This forum is diversified. One person is helped here. The other over there. But where is the center? Doctor John E. Sarno. Every Doctor in the diversified universe is out there touting (SELLING FOR MONEY AND FAME!) what Doctor Sarno has figured out already. Is the cause a mind induced problem, or a convoluted source of mind and injury? It can't be both. "What you have been told is not true." Dr. Sarno Please forgive me for hammering the point the Doctors make the wrong diagnosis. This is why epidemics spread. "Because Doctors make the wrong diagnosis." Dr. Sarno "You're going to get better because you finally have the right diagnosis. That is the heart of the matter." Dr. Sarno It does no good in the universe of sources to acknowledge different sources when those sources are wishy washy in the mindbody universe. Remember, both feet in one ballpark. You cannot accept the mindbody diagnosis and have other foot in believing the source of the problem is from lingering injury, sensitized nerves, or other nonsense.