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Do you still go to doctors?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by stevow7, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. stevow7

    stevow7 Well known member

    I was wondering, do you guys still go to doctors that treats things PHYSICALLY like chiros and such? i ask because ever since i started reading sarnos and believing in it 100% I DO NOT go to any, i treat everything "physically"(pain) psychologically like sarno says. What do you guys do?
  2. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Hi Stevow7,

    Its up to each of us to make that decision. This can be quite a dilemma as there is a tendency to believe anything can be TMS especially when we are new. There is always controversy even on this board at times, chiros being one of them. I have been to about 8 doctors since last summer for eyes, shoulder and neck pain, fractured sacrum, and bronchitis etc. and all of them were very necessary.

    A few years back I had a new pain in my stomach. I got it checked out, needless to say the next day my appendix burst and I had emergency surgery. One doctor failed me, but the Surgeon doctor who saved my life served me. I use 50/50 thinking for most issues. No doctor is going to be upset and say you are wasting his time, and remember it’s your pain, your body and your life that’s at stake.

    Reading the full declaimer helps a little with this decision.

    DISCLAIMER: The TMS Wiki is for informational and support purposes only and does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment recommendations. See Full Disclaimer

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  3. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    I use doctors to address anything I consider serious. Most good general practitioners can assess for something serious, and also understand the body will generally heal itself. It is the specialists who tend to give you the deeper nocebo dangers in my experience. And of course by not obsessing, almost any temporary harmless symptoms go away, as well do TMS symptoms.
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  4. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Hi Andyb

    ‘It is the specialists who tend to give you the deeper nocebo dangers in my experience.”

    I agree with this concept, coming from the UK where you hold Surgeons in high esteem. I have heard you only see them for a very short time and they do not get as involved as they do in the USA. I think this could be a snob thing or a reluctance to get emotionally involved. There are exceptions of course, but the NHS is en-mass Medicine, I am not being critical just observant.

    Anyway I have had two visits recently with surgeons that oppose this statement. I believe it was because I secretly interviewed the doctor. His demenior, presententation and listening skills etc. I also made a non invasive statement about mindbody, yoga and my ability to self heal. Both times the converstation turned around. I must have been a breath of fresh air, since I know many people my age use doctor’s visits for social or attention getting reasons.


    In the past I remember thinking for several days and weeks whether to make an appointment or not. As much as we have to “rule out the physical’, we have to “rule out TMS” also, this would be the time to do it.
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  5. stevow7

    stevow7 Well known member

    well i ask because i have the so called herniated disc. 8 month of pain and unable to do daily task. read sarnos and steves book and now im cured. mri showed the herniated disc. i went to 8 doctors total and didnt get relieve. i got cured by tms believes. herniated disc is showned and thats what people are scared of since mri shows something then the pain must be from that. when you had your shoulder pain did you saw any findings? im not asking to go against tms because i believe 100% but ever since i believed in tms i had pain everywhere and if i address my pains (shoulder arms constipation) i would of probably live with doctors and depend on them. sorry for my english! not first language
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  6. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Hi Stevow,

    Your English is fine. From what I am hearing you have had some very good results with your TMS practice despite herniated discs etc. Many of the concepts in TMS oppose modern medicine, doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that dominate our world. However do not rule out modern medicine completely, and it’s left up to the individual to get checked out and decide this. I’ll briefly explain one of the visits I had.

    My Rotor Cuff tear was painful enough to get it checked out; I had lifted a heavy patio beam above my head without help, I am 150 lbs, very skinny.

    When the surgeon asked did the pain keep me awake t night, I said NO. After an X-ray to see what was going on, I had good socket separation, a small bone spur (don’t we all) and X-rays don’t show rotor cuff tissue. He also did many O’Brien tests.

    O'Brien's Test is a special orthopedic/orthopedic test for the shoulder that attempts to test specifically for glenohumeral joint labral tears (and more specifically for SLAP Lesions; superior labral tear from anterior to posterior).

    Conclusion, a small tear that will heal in time. From the information he ruled out surgery, cortisone shots and gave me three exercises to perform. We spent the rest of the visit chatting about vacations, I was happy with this diagnosis, but I had to get checked out to feel this way.

    I am sure there are many people that have also healed from a rotor cuff tear and believe it was TMS, that’s OK by me.
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  7. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Hi Steveow7, If you have not yet read up on the System Imperative, now would be a good time. Its about symptom substitution.
  8. stevow7

    stevow7 Well known member

    hey i just read both replies and im happy you didnt get something serious. altho you said you weight 150, how tall are you? i did a quicksearch on the system imperative. do you have a good link about it?
  9. stevow7

    stevow7 Well known member

    by specialist do you mean chiros and physical therapy?
  10. iwire

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  11. andy64tms

    andy64tms Well known member

    Also on this website a good link.
    http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/The_symptom_imperative (The symptom imperative)

    I am 70 this year and weigh 150 lbs, 5 Ft 11 Inches. Lost 15 lbs since retiring seven years ago. When I am windsurfing in the summer I drop down to 145 lbs. Drs are OK with this, my blood work is great. I am as skinny as Weldon Kirui who just won the LA Maratrhon.:)
  12. Sonic

    Sonic Peer Supporter

    The last doc I seen which was just a normal GP and we had a good discussion about Eckhart Tolle and pain body's. He was quite an old school doc so suppose he's seen it all but was a big believer in the mind-body connection. There are probably a lot more like him out there but are most likely not to say anything incase they offend the patient. He never heard of Sarno mind you.

    After 10 sessions with a physiotherapist at £40 a pop to try and fix my back, ive learnt to stay clear of any quacks like physios and Chiros in the future.
  13. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    Probably my statement was too broad, but orthopedic surgeons, neurologists, chiros, physical therapists ----all tend to focus more and more on smaller and smaller parts of the whole person, so they may be less apt to see the larger picture stress/personality aspects, like a family doctor might.

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