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Day 1 Decided to give it another crack!

Discussion in 'Structured Educational Program' started by Laudisco, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. Laudisco

    Laudisco Well known member

    My introduction!

    This is my second time doing the TMS Wiki SEP, as I already did the full programme at the end of last year. I can't believe six months has already gone by! I'm motivated to have another try, since I've had Fibromyalgia (especially neuropathic pain) for two and a half years, plus Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for about nine months or so.

    I really believe that I have TMS, and that my symptoms are caused by repressed emotions and stuff going on in my subconscious mind. The only problem is, finding emotional healing and dealing with my repressed emotions hasn't been as easy as I hoped! I thought that finding out my condition has a psychological cause would make it so much easier to deal with, but it's still been hard. Having said that, I'm going to persevere - because I have read that other people have taken years to overcome their TMS symptoms.

    I know that people with Fibromyalgia/CFS often have more intense repressed emotional issues than people with garden variety back pain (not that any back pain is easy to deal with!) so I need to be prepared for a longer journey…

    Response to 20/20 Video:

    As I watched the video, I started to feel a glimmer of hope again. I admit that after having Fibromyalgia for two and a half years, and CFS for about 8-9 months, I had started to resign myself to living with health issues. But I don’t want to give up. I have done the TMS SEP before, but I want to try again and delve deeper. I want to keep going until I get fully healed!

    What would a life without TMS mean to you?

    This is something I feel unsure about. I have all sorts of ideas about what I would like to do in the future! I would like to do a life coaching course, run an online business, travel, maybe even get married… It would also be pretty amazing to be able to live without fatigue, and to live without the fear of crashing or having a severe relapse. I miss being able to socialise as much as I used to. I would like to be more carefree and spontaneous.
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  2. Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)

    Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi, Laudisco. I read your post today with special interest because you mentioned you have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue.
    I've been learning more about the connection between TMS pain and magnesium mineral deficiency. Nutritionists say those two symptoms are common in those with magnesium deficiency. It's because most of us are in that boat, because even though we eat veggies and fruit, they don't contain the magnesium plants used to have 50 or more years ago, so we need to take a magnesium supplement.

    I'm neither a doctor nor a nutritionist, but think it possible that a magnesium supplement could help you. I suggest you go a google search for "magnesium deficiency" and also watch the videos on YouTube about it.

    I would combine believing 100 percent that your symptoms are TMS with perhaps a magnesium supplement. Most nutritionists recommend Magnesium Citrate which is absorbed faster into the system.

    Magnesium also has many other benefits, I've read. It reduces stress and anxiety, aids in sleeping better, and other things.

    Our pain may be caused by TMS, but low levels of magnesium could also play a role.

    A natural form of magnesium is Epsom salts. It helped me several years ago when I fell and hurt my back. I took warm
    baths twice or three times a day with some Epsom salts in the water and I was up and around again in a few days.

    I'm going to post more about magnesium soon.
  3. mina

    mina Peer Supporter

    Hi Laudisco,

    We are pretty much in the same situation though this is my first TMS program per say. I did the Gupta program but though it helped, I had setbacks and after each setback I was much much worse than before starting the program. And with the Gupta program there is no understanding of the fact that what we have is psychosomatic.

    Regarding the magnesium supplements, I am unsure whether to advise this since if you start taking supplements, they may give you a placebo effect but you know your health issue will change as you know about the symptom imperative. In a nutshell: if you supplement yourself, you are telling your brain that there is something physically wrong with you: a lack of magnesium when this is most likely untrue. I would even venture to say that there are loads of people who go around their lives happily though they have magnesium defficiency without knowing it. So supplementing yourself, in my opinion, is like saying to the brain exactly what it wants to hear: that your problem is biological or physical or whatever but not psychological.
    Remember to always think psychological. Dr Sarno advises to discontinue all treatment (when possible) as we start the program so starting a new form of mainstream treatment goes against the core belief of what TMS is.

    I wish you a full recovery this time.
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  4. Laudisco

    Laudisco Well known member

    Thanks for the suggestion regarding the magnesium supplement, Walt! I actually already take a high-strength magnesium supplement, as I have read that it helps with cellular energy in the recovery process from CFS. I read about this in CFS Unravelled by Dan Neuffer, an ebook that takes a holistic approach to treating CFS. I like the author's perspective because he also acknowledges that stress and negative emotions are often an important trigger in CFS and need to be dealt with - thus it's compatible with the TMS theory.

    Mina, thanks for sharing your experience with the Gupta Programme! I was thinking of doing the Gupta Programme at one point, but I read more about it and realised that it probably won't tell me anything I don't already know - as I've already done quite a lot of reading about TMS, CFS and Fibromyalgia. I read some reviews which were helpful but it sounded like the same sort of advice I had already read and heard about in various other places.

    I'm not sure what to think about the supplement issue, since I have taken numerous vitamins from a young age - since that's what my parents always did. Having said that, it may be worth weaning myself off some of the supplements for a while, just to prove to myself that my condition is primarily psychological.
  5. Zumbafan

    Zumbafan Well known member

    I just want to say please be careful before you start taking any type of supplement. Get your blood tested first, to see if you have any deficiencies. Heart function can be disrupted if you take things your body does not need. Better to be safe than sorry.

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