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Discussion in 'Structured Educational Program' started by karinabrown, Apr 2, 2016.

  1. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Have you noticed any positive changes in your life while going through this program?

    I got sick and have had more psychical symptoms (not tms related i think
    at this point ,or it could be tms moving around (which to my understandin can be a good sign) : but like i said : for now: will not try to analize that)

    mentaly i am a bit out of balance too
    but not as much as i would expect concidering what is going on
    still proceding with the sep slowly and still going little walks : inspite the fact it is not very improving
    its like i feel sometimes a new form of perseverance

    i am curious where it will lead me, and if it will lead me

  2. Andy Bayliss

    Andy Bayliss TMS Coach & Beloved Grand Eagle

    This seems like a powerful statement...
  3. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Yes i know Andy hopefully it is more than a statement, am proofs to be a real new fibe
  4. fbcoach

    fbcoach Peer Supporter

    Hey Karina,
    I remember when I first started....after about 2 weeks, my physical symptoms seem to get worse. This actually made me sort of sick of worrying about it. At that point, I just let it go. It was just a natural instinct in me. Not something I forced. After doing that, I was kind of numb to it, and my symptoms got better. In my mind, the increased physical symptoms were due to me uncovering some emotional issues.
    I am in the process of convincing myself 100% I have TMS. Not necessarily totally pain-free. I believe I will reach that after I am totally and unequivocally 100% convinced, THEN I will just let it all go. Anyway, I finding more and more evidence that I definitely do have TMS.
    Whenever my pain seems to increase, I remember some videos by Monte Huefle. (they are really good). His first key is to THINK PSYCHOLOGICALLY. I understood what he meant by it, but it took me a while for it to really sink in when my pain increased. Now, I am finding that when applying this concept, my pain immediately decreases. Like I said, it took me a while to completely understand what he meant, but now I am coming to an understanding and applying this key as best as I can.
    My point of all this rambling is it's OK to experience some increased pain here and there. Don't fear it. Investigate it. THINK PSYCHOLOGICALLY :)
  5. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi fbcoach,

    Yes will check out these video's You mentioned.

    Sometimes i wonder if i do fit the profile and sometimes i don't .
    My problem with thinking psychological ' is that it is 'thinkin' again.
    And i am far to good at that. So now when being sick: According to my doctor is a virus ..i can start thinking psychological (and i did) but only thing i find is that having a medical problem is giving me tension and fear. Must slow down and take some rest: That is hard for me. But this 'understanding' is not bringing much new information. My doctor said the ear problem could take some weeks. So with this specifik problem i feel tms thinking' does not help me.
    Maybe i should or it could : But then not seeing the aha' moment in it.
    To me thinking every thing is tms is risky' makes me wonder every second.
    And there is the 'menopause' complication: Will not bother you too much with that female fase or make it even more complicated (although the whole tms+ menopause is very much complicated : Should be a complete extra section about it) but this a fase in a woman's life filled with mentals and psysical complicated stuff giving confusion a extra dimension.

    Trust me: I do see me having a tms personality and i do see a conection between body and mind. Always did.
    i struglle with some balance in tms-ing everything and the fact that it is possible and normal to get a psysical problem ever now and then (without deep meaning)

  6. fbcoach

    fbcoach Peer Supporter

    Hey Karina,
    I'm sorry you are having some issues with convincing yourself. Please know that ALL OF US are going thru the same thing. I hope you don't mind me saying this, but from the outside looking in (it's always easier seeing other's issues), I see 2 things that may be contributing.
    1) Fears-it seems you are fearing that you may not have TMS. I don't know your medical history, so I can't tell you if you do or don't. I DO KNOW in my case, if I were to just look at an MRI, my case would be definitely all physical. See, I don't have any facets from C-2 to the top of the thoracic spine. They were cut out. After my original surgery, the Neurosurgeon and Doctors said I may have trouble just walking. If I get hit in the back of the neck, I will be paralyzed for life, etc., etc.They were wrong!! I've been told it all....you have degenerative disc disease, you have bone spurs, you have this, that, and all the other things. Even though I didn't know exactly what was going on, I have always maintained that my pain was due to stress and an overactive Nervous System. I could just tell. I have had too many experiences telling me I was stronger that what I was led to believe. For examples, I fell down my stairs (10) feet slipped out in front of me, broken dishes, came crashing down, and I got up and walked away. This has happened 3 times in the past 2 years. Exactly 1 year ago, a brand new driver swerved over 2 lanes, and hit me head on. It totaled my truck, airbags went off, car catches on fire, and my wife was knocked unconscious. I kicked the doors open and pulled my wife out to safety. I was sore for about a week. My chronic pain overrode my immediate/acute pain. Meaning, my chronic pains were more important to me than an acute injury (if that makes sense). I 'm not saying this to be boastful. I am making the point that our bodies (not just mine) are far more resilient than we give it credit. I have a feeling your may be, as well.

    2) It seems as if you are just thinking about all of this too much. We all have that inner chatter that plays head games with us. This can make us believe things that are not necessarily true, and it can cause depression or anxieties if we allow it. I would suggest just letting everything go. Don't worry about anything. What's the worse that can happen? Don't play head games with yourself. Nothing is as important as your own health (that includes mental/emotional, as well). If you are spiritual, just let it be in the hands of fate or GOD or whatever your beliefs may be. Personally, I am a Christian, and it feels GREAT to let GOD have my problems when they are too overwhelming. This seems to give me back the control.
    Anyway, just let it all go for a while and relax, just doing nothing, and you will be in a great place.
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  7. karinabrown

    karinabrown Well known member

    Hi Fbcoach,

    well me fearing not having tms is not the case: i think me fearing having it ..is more the problem'
    i am someone with a lot of diagnosis on my foot but al with 'maybe it is...) blanc mri..blanc xrays and blanc ultrasounds..i am not maybe the typical visitor here : i hoped for a clue on a mri at the time...when nothing came clear is when the real fear begun..strange but true..the other way around..know i should be glad because of it..but wasn't at the time.

    think a need to recover from his flu..ear stuff and pick up the tms work again and the sep!

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