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New Program Day 16: Emotional Repression

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by Alan Gordon LCSW, Jul 29, 2017.

  1. Ellen

    Ellen Beloved Grand Eagle

    Yes! Alan's program is also in line with some of our contemporary spiritual teachers and writers, e.g. Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie. (Plum already mentioned Rick Hansen) A couple of their quotes that I find helpful:
    "What you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist persists." Eckhart Tolle (Carl Jung said something very similar)
    "When I argue with what is, I lose, but only 100% of the time." Byron Katie

    And one from my favorite yoga teacher--"Be where you're at, 'cuz you're already there." Bryan Kest :)
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  2. rbmunkin

    rbmunkin Peer Supporter

    "There are many things our brains can interpret as psychologically dangerous, but today we’re going to focus on emotions."
    What else besides emotions?
  3. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    I affectionately refer to this as the elusive obvious. Sometimes we need someone else to connect the dots or hammer the blighters home. As @Alan Gordon LCSW says you can cut your own hair but a hairdresser can see the bits you miss.

    This is why I dig this forum so much. I've learned such a lot over the years and I really appreciate the perspectives of people who have a totally different take. It's refreshing. I'm really enjoying your contributions too.
  4. Lily Rose

    Lily Rose Beloved Grand Eagle

    Precisely! Like practicing yoga, or being active in a natural way, eating healthy for the sake of living in harmony with the Earth ... the byproduct becomes reduced pain, reduced stress, reduced weight, and so forth. When we become too focused on a specific goal, we miss the point completely .... which is a journey to a more authentic lifestyle and attitude. It is about a fundamental shift in our perceptions. It isn't about ignoring anything ... it is about becoming aware of the magical aspects of life that so easily become overlooked in the forced stresses of each day. It is about acknowledging your own power and strength, and using your fantastic imagination (and who on this forum does not have an active imagination??? We all can imagine the worst case of every thing!) to alter the inner lenses of our eyes. The closer you get to compassion for all living things, the closer you get to compassion for yourself. The more you inhale the scent of those flowers, the more you breathe, and the better your entire body for that simple act of bringing in more oxygen.

    We are all connected. Your energy is an intricate aspect to the overall fabric of life. The more your energy changes to Light and Magic ... the more Light and Magic there is in the world. It is a self-fulfilling cycle. We receive what we project.

    Simplicity: Be Love.
    And know that you ARE Loved <3
  5. Eugene

    Eugene Well known member

    That is brilliantly put @plum and sums up exactly how I feel.

    The way Alan, and other people on this excellent forum, including your good self, have really helped me with this.

    I feel like I have lots of pieces of the jigsaw, but I'm struggling to put them together so that I can see the whole picture. I think this last few weeks have provided me with some very important pieces and the picture is (hopefully) becoming clearer :)
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  6. Eugene

    Eugene Well known member

    Excellent quotes @Ellen and so so true. Thanks for sharing.

    I keep trying not to resist (as Eckhart suggest), but this pesky discomfort just keeps sneaking on back in whenever I feel like I am making some progress.
  7. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    Oh yes. I like this idea.
  8. shmps

    shmps Peer Supporter

    Thanks Forest. Look forward to reading the summary.

  9. thecomputer

    thecomputer Well known member

    I was over simplifying with those bullet points, but my point was that so much of it comes back to the same thing, as with most practises. I think acceptance is really the absolute key.
    There is one phrase by Ajahn Sumado which I find really useful, even though its incredibly simple. When in pain try saying : 'Right now it's like this', which to me sums up acceptance very simply.

    It's been interesting for me having followed buddhist teachings for so long mostly due to my struggles with anxiety and depression. Then this pain completely changed my life, and after reading Sarno I stopped everything I was trying to do, including meditating. I feel like I am coming full circle now and realising everything I learned and knew from buddhist teachings is what I am learning about healing from chronic pain!

    'If you let go a little you a will have a little peace; if you let go a lot you will have a lot of peace; if you let go completely you will have complete peace. '' Ajahn Chah
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  10. Eugene

    Eugene Well known member

    Oh my! You sound like you've been on the same journey as me. I've been a 'practicing' Buddhist for several years, but when this pain developed I REALLY struggled to meditate or focus when I went to teachings. That was two years ago. Since then I've explored so many possible solutions, but keep returning to TMS as it just seems right, and also, it gels so well with all the Buddhist teachings I was immersing myself in prior to this.

    There are so many excellent dharma talks on pain and suffering, and I've listened to many again and again, but some of what Dr Sarno and the various other excellent TMS specialists say just really hits the bullseye. I know if I could truly implement what they are saying I would see relief of some kind, but then I wonder what in my mind seems to be wanting to keep this discomfort going.
  11. BOP

    BOP Newcomer

    I've broken through the anxiety again and again, and now play with awareness and feeling it. But I can't seem to escape the pattern. I've done so much MBS and mindfulness work. Damn if my mom doesn't rear her head in my guilt and people pleasing 10x a day at least. I get that it is 48 years of hard wiring. I like that I have awareness now and can talk to my inner child and parent, and come out of it faster. But I am ready to spring free. It seems I always end up back there.
  12. Ellen

    Ellen Beloved Grand Eagle

    Yea, me too. Been working with success on this for a few years, but the old stuff still pops up first and has to be replaced with the new thoughts. But I'm able to replace with new, healthier thoughts much faster and easier. I just notice this phenomenon, accept it, and try not to judge myself.

    Still, other than occasional relapses, I am pretty much free of TMS now, with the exception of anxiety.
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  13. L100

    L100 New Member

    I've actually had rage explosion! I am very aware what annoys me the most but my feelings are too strong too keep them there in my conscious all the time, especially for the fact that it is not something that can be resolved. So, can my TMS pain go without resolving all of these messy feeling, is it just enough to know what your silent emotional pain is?
  14. TMS.no.more

    TMS.no.more New Member

    Feeling the anger does not mean expressing it. You can feel the sensations of anger in your body and then decide what you want to do about the way you express yourself.
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  15. Eugene

    Eugene Well known member

    In a book I was reading last week it referred to this as 'responding' rather than 'reacting', which I took to simply mean that responding is what happens after you've paused to think how to react, rather than just impulsively reacting and getting into an argument, thumping someone, or automatically repressing the anger, which is something us TMS'ers maybe too too much of.
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  16. annfitz

    annfitz New Member

    Originally the title of Day 16 included the term "Systematic Desensitization." There was an audio clip in which Alan provided guidance for paying attention to your pain, first a little at a time, returning to the breath, then a little longer, then a little longer. I have been accessing this everyday since Day 16 was originally posted, until today. Now, Day 16 has a different title and different information, while the comments are still from July 29. This is awkward. Where can I access that audio again? It was helping me greatly!!
  17. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    I noticed a difference between my original journal notes and the re-writing posted today. I think this day has become two different days and you may find what you're looking for on day 11.

    http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/day-11-pain-reprocessing.16616/ (New Program - Day 11: Pain Reprocessing)

    If not, drop Forest a pm. I'm sure he'll clarify where that recording is.
  18. annfitz

    annfitz New Member

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  19. butterfly_queen

    butterfly_queen New Member

    Thank you, Plum for sharing Dr. Weekes's info. It's so good!! I hadn't heard it before and I love her idea of floating past it.

    I have been using this in the pool for months: just floating and reminding my brain what it feels like to feel no pain. So this analogy og hers really resonates. Thanks again Dr. Weekes and Plum!
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  20. plum

    plum Beloved Grand Eagle

    You're welcome my darling. Isn't she a diamond?

    Very pleased to hear that you, like me, are a soft water creature :). I can't imagine a lovelier pastime than simply floating in water like a beautiful Waterlily. The expression no mud, no lotus comes to mind as a grounding reminder that we will blossom no matter what travails we have endured.

    Warm hugs to you sweet butterfly_queen xxx
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