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Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by newarrior, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. newarrior

    newarrior Peer Supporter

    Anyone else get enraged, depressed, scared, fearful, etc., etc in relation to aging, mortality, the inevitability of death, age discrimination in all areas of life, harder to lose weight, everything just being more difficult with age , becoming disposable and marginilzed, problems with the body, limitations etc., etc. ?

    Some of my health issues started early such as vision and hearing issues; others like high blood pressure came later.

    Plus most of my family is long dead including my parents and brother.

    I am 55 and I fuck__ing hate it !
     
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  2. Dorado

    Dorado Beloved Grand Eagle

    Honestly, mortality doesn't bother me at all. To me, the fact that life isn't permanent makes it so much more meaningful, bearable, and interesting. In fact, the idea of immortality (which will always be impossible given that everything in the universe eventually ends, even if you live an extra 200 years or have a silly "copy" of your brain that ultimately isn't you copied to a vulnerable computer) stresses me out way more! I'd be absolutely livid if someone tried to force me to live an extra hundred years or copy my brain. Dying is 100% safe, as Timothy Leary and Ram Dass said. Even if I looked and felt no older than 20 forever, I still don't want to live to be 700 or 2,000. Besides, you could cure every disease on the planet and try to prevent cell degeneration, but we'd still be susceptible to deathly accidents or technical malware at any time.

    I do accept that aging is going to happen. It's not so scary when you remember that we're all going to experience aging - unless we die early. We're all in it together, even if we experience it at different times. It's our eventual reality. Regarding the health issues, lots of people experience them at a young age, even in their teens, twenties, and thirties. I have some from Ehlers-Danlos. Death can happen at those earlier ages, too. All we can do is take the best possible care of ourselves today to try to ensure a healthy future. Some things may become more difficult, but that doesn't mean everything else is impossible. My parents know people in their 60s, 70s, and 80s who still go out biking, dancing, hiking, and/or traveling. They take up new hobbies all the time. They may not be as fast as a 20 year old, but it doesn't matter because they're happy as hell.

    Someone on Reddit once framed it nicely: "Honestly, I'm 47, and I'll say this to you, whippersnapper: you're a fucking kid, so get over yourself. I'm a fucking kid, too. I'm almost twice your age, and I'm just getting started! My dad is in his 80s, and he wrote two books last year."

    My parents are in their mid and late 50s, and they're actually having way more fun than they've ever had in their lives for so many reasons. They aren't disposable. They still reinvent themselves. They made some new "ride or die" friends after moving a couple of years ago and it's amazing to watch. And they feel like they have plenty of time to live quality lives. To them, life is still just as much of a gift as it was when they were 25.

    I like this article, which also addresses the physical and beauty aspects of aging: httpss://www.ramdass.org/important-come-terms-aging/
     
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  3. HattieNC

    HattieNC Well known member

    Dorado, I adore you and you have inspired and helped more than you know, but you can't possibly understand what newwarrior is talking about. I used to think exactly as you do (at least in my 20's and 30's). However, being a caregiver to aging parents and in-laws forced me to see things from a much different perspective. I can't even count how many days and nights I've spent in nursing homes, hospitals, and assisted care facilities over a 12 year period. I saw age discrimination, disability, elder abuse, and marginalization up front and personal. These memories will haunt me forever. Yes, some people are lucky and age beautifully. But, a lot do not. And, that is what scares the crap out of those of us in our 50's. Especially, if you've been dealt the hand of chronic pain. Aging is often about loss. Loss of parents, spouses, friends, looks, and career. Until it's tapping on your shoulder, you don't get it.

    So, yes newarrior I share your anxieties about aging. That is why I try try to eat healthy and spend a ridiculous amount of money on cosmetics, hair color, and wrinkle creams. On the flip side, I have to admit I enjoy not caring about other people's opinions, and using the excuse that I'm tired when I don't want to do something. Plus, the exquisite experience of having grandchildren. I don't take for granted that it's been a gift to have lived 57 years on this beautiful earth. Because I know my time is limited, it's become MUCH more precious. I don't sweat the small stuff and I'm willing to take more chances. Like the lyrics in the Tim McGraw song, "live like you were dying."
     
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  4. Dorado

    Dorado Beloved Grand Eagle

    For sure - you're right. I will say that I've spent a lot of time around people in their 80s and 90s (including someone approaching 100), and I've seen a lot of really great examples. I guess I'm lucky in that respect, to have that exposure, because it's definitely not reflective of everyone's experiences. And it would be very unfair to expect that to be the experience of everyone else.

    Living in one of the biggest cities in the United States, I see a nice number of independent seniors (65+) who are probably living better lives than I am. In one of my old neighborhoods, I also saw dudes in their 50s who were still looking and feeling great and living well. I know people in their 80s who are dating after their spouses died and going to pool parties. The best advice my parents give me is to take the very best care of myself today and to not sweat what's out of my control (like cancer genes), but yeah, I'm still pretty young.

    From a cosmetic perspective, a lot of this came from me having an attractive parent who was obsessed with the way they looked, and watching them basically despise themselves once that aging process started. I watched that closely and internalized it, fearing every birthday or every little change in my body. Then they almost died when I was in college, and their perspective changed greatly. To see them going from hating their 40s to loving their mid-50s is pretty neat, but yeah, I don't personally know what it's like as I haven't been there myself. This is similar to the attitude my parents now have and talk to me about: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/birth-babies-and-beyond/201412/why-getting-old-is-good-thing%3famp (Why Getting Old Is A Good Thing) (Why Getting Old Is A Good Thing)

    And I've heard talk that sounds similar to this about some people having their happiest years (not everyone, of course): https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/feb/20/retirement-60s-best-decade-life-ageing-joy (Could your 60s and 70s be the best decades of life?) (Could your 60s and 70s be the best decades of life?)

    Anyway, I will leave the post, as I agree that this is probably better discussed with someone not in their twenties! I definitely can't comment on issues like the senior abuse (absolutely terrible and I am so sorry that it happens).
     
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  5. MWsunin12

    MWsunin12 Beloved Grand Eagle

    Yes. I will look at women in their early 30's and think, "I'm like them." But, in fact, I'm 61. I still have a hard time believing that's my age.
    I'm not in denial. I think because I didn't have children, there is nothing to watch getting older, day by day, like a kid.
    But, here's the deal. Sarno said we have rage about it whether we admit it or not. I think we do. I know I do.

    We don't have an option. So, I do take care of myself. I'm grateful to be moving and exercising every day.
    My parents are still in their own home at age 92. My mom takes writing class and my dad is learning ukulele. They both have had health issues. She uses a walker, he uses a cane. Both have pacemakers, etc.
    Both are pretty mentally sharp.

    So, just like TMS, it appears that the secret to staying healthy as we age is to stay involved and passionate about something.
    That's my plan. Look around. Find something cool. Get over the inevitable. What's next???
     
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  6. newarrior

    newarrior Peer Supporter

    Yes age--sometimes early is loss - Age 33-- I developed tinnitus/hearing loss and my balance got messed up
    Age 33 last cat dead
    Age 38--I lost dad
    Age 44--Mom dead
    Age 49 youngest brother dead
     
  7. newarrior

    newarrior Peer Supporter

    My family dies early..I moved to Asia last year age 54 to escape the age discrimination I experienced in the USA
     
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