A bit of fun

Anybody fancy a little experiment.

There is a wonderful person on Facebook and you tube called Cole adams music.

They sing songs about rewiring your subconcious mind for happiness and health.

She says try for 21 days and see what happens.

If nothing else the tunes are very catchy, get stuck in your head and are a bit light hearted.

Let me know if you give it a go

 

Love it, Calm! I'm in! (You know, I awoke this morning thinking about you... and was planning to write to you and say, perhaps you need to have more fun and/or experiment with some new self-soothing techniques.) "All the cells in my body are healthy, All the cells in my body are healthy"... yeah! This reminds me that there's a success story on the success stories sub forum from someone who recovered by singing the 'I love myself' song hundreds of times.

 

The songs are just so catchy. I find myself singing them in my head when going to sleep and wake up with it in my head.

I figured it cant hurt anyway.

I would love to hear if anyone else gives them a go and see if anyone sees any results.

She has an interesting concept that instead of affirmations use askfirmstions.
State them as questions. Your brain is less likely to reject what you are saying.

 

Sounds like they might be similar to 'afformations' which I posted about here https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/progress-setback-hope-fear.33221/#post-169396. They're supposed to work better than affirmations because the brain likes a question to respond to and solve.

 

Why is it people like Gordon, ozanich, Schubiner no longer bother to come on this forum and help. What happened there?

 

I asked perplexity ai to assess the situation and this is what it came up with...

"Key TMS experts like Dr. Howard Schubiner, Steven Ozanich, and Alan Gordon have largely stepped back from active participation on TMSWiki forums over the years.

Shift to Professional Platforms
These pioneers initially engaged heavily on TMSWiki (especially pre-2015) to build community awareness of mindbody pain. However, they've pivoted to structured, paid programs: Schubiner's CURVATURE/MindBody Medicine site, Ozanich's books/workshops, and Gordon's Pain Psychology Center with its Pain Recovery Program (PRP)—heavily promoted on the wiki itself. Forums became less efficient for them as their practices grew into full-time clinical/educational businesses demanding controlled delivery.

Forum Evolution and Burnout
TMSWiki has slowed (fewer active users), shifting from expert-led to peer-driven—mirroring many health forums post-COVID. Experts faced repetitive queries, debates (e.g., Sarno vs. newer models like "learned pathways"), leading to natural fade-out.

No Drama, Just Prioritization
No public fallout occurred—it's pragmatic evolution. They occasionally reference the wiki positively, but their energy now fuels scalable impact (e.g., Gordon's PRP bootcamps)."

This echos my guesses about it. I guess at least they did contribute quite a lot on these forums at one time (unlike some coaches) and people can still search for what they had to say in past forum postings and threads (which I appreciate, of course, isn't as good as being able to ask them your own questions).

 

Seems a real shame.
Feels like its very much become about profit now.

 

It would be nice if more of them did some pro bono work, but it's getting like main stream medicine. There was a niche and imo it's being well and truly filled and in a lot of cases exploited (although I have to say I still find there's a lot of great free stuff out there particularly on YouTube, which I and others often post up and share).

 

Its too much blind leading the blind I think.
People were confident when there were some experts in the field.
Now everyone claims.ti be an expert with contradictory theories.
How.is one ever supposed to know the true path.

 

I agree with this...

but have a different view of this...

I don't think they were necessarily confident because even the pioneering experts disagreed with each other as to the exact cause and what to do to get rid of symptoms.

 

I’d say once you have a foundation, you have the answers you need to progress. The problem is, is that we’re in an extremely delicate state and we aren't the most rational. So we can very much get in our own way and lack the ability to see what we are doing right and what we are doing wrong. Calm, your desperation and seeking for answers outside of yourself is very apparent. It’s no different when we chased after doctors and physical treatments. This quest for some ever elusive answer is just another distraction by your brain in a panic.

I think it’s pretty well established now that this is nervous system dysfunction and/or perpetual fight or flight. What caused us to go into this state is not necessarily the thing keeping us in it. I’d say for the vast majority it’s our thought processes, both in how we treat ourselves and how we react to the symptoms. Both need to be addressed and both are related. Obsessing over pain or predicting a doomed future is just as shitty self treatment as calling yourself weak or a loser, or constantly replaying some past traumas.

Sometimes taking a breaking from the online TMS world can be beneficial to quiet some of the noise. Sometimes it’s information overload.

 

Well maybe when only Sarno was the leader of it.

I have no idea what Ozanich is ever on about. One needs a degree to understand a word that man says. Its word salad.

I like alan gordon but one has had no success with somatic tracking.

Schubiner seems good but I think theres a lot to be said about beint treated by them in person. That gives you confidence.

Dan ratner I like but I always just end up with even more questions afterwards. The columns make sense but one is never quite sure if they are navigating them correctly.

Nicole sachs, I really had hoped would work for me. But alas I had no success there either.

I notice in a lot of the books we read when first starting out it is made to sound very simple. But I believe that is because the anecdotes are from when these patients were treated in clinic.
They were firstly reassured what the problem was first hand. Comforted. Given a frame work without the noise of everyone else. Had an assessment. The professional actually gets to know the client and thier history. Show them why they have the pain. They literally map it our for them. Whamo the pain has gone
This is because they have been cared for, reassured, filled with confidence and have had it explained to them what the issue is.

The rest of us not so lucky to get that kind of attention are left scratching our heads going, ok, but what do we do now. What sre we repressing etc

 

I agree with @Rabscuttle.

The answers are within you. Many of us have recovered from TMS using a self-help approach. There are many good self-help programs. You are not going to get what you're looking for from someone else, no matter how skilled or caring they are. If your brain is blocking your recovery, it will continue to do so no matter what is going on externally. It all comes from you.

 

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Ok so how do u get the answers? Its not like I can take my brain out and have a chat with it?

 

Write down every single thought you have today or do a voice memo/recording of them and you’ll get your answer.

 

Hows that work

 

@Duggit wrote this about Dr Schubiner's view regarding recovery from TMS:

"The most brilliant overarching observation about recovery from TMS that I have seen comes from Dr. Howard Schubiner. He spent some time with Sarno to learn from him and, in my opinion, is the leading mindbody physician currently practicing in the United States. His perspective differs in some respects from Sarno’s because it incorporates contemporary neuroscience research that was unavailable when Sarno developed his approach. But Schubiner wrote in one of his books that he is proud to be counted among the whole generation of researchers and clinicians that Sarno influenced.

Schubiner’s observation:

He said a person must have

(1) a clinician he or she trusts
(2) an explanation of what is wrong with him or her
(3) a technique to fix it
(4) hope and optimism about recovering.

It is the trusted clinician, of course, who gives the afflicted person an explanation of what is wrong that he or she trusts is correct, a technique to fix it that he or she trusts will work, and the hope and optimism. If one factors out the trusted clinician because a person with TMS is trying to recover on a self-help basis, then the elements the person needs are

(1) an explanation of what is wrong (found in, say, a Sarno book or another book or online or wherever) that he or she trusts is correct
(2) a technique to fix it (found in a book or wherever) that he or she trusts will work
(3) hope and optimism that he or she will be able to implement the technique and will thereby recover."

When I wasn't making headway on a self-help basis (I've never had one-to-one sessions with a coach or clinician) it was because, although I thought I believed that my symptoms were mind-body, I didn't actually underneath truly believe that. I also didn't have any optimism.

 

Because the way you’re living, what you’re thinking and ruminating about are what’s fueling your current reality. If you’re obsessing about finding an answer that thus far has eluded you, what does that tell you? If you’re obsessing about the symptoms themselves what does that tell you? If you feel resistance to doing something that in the past has helped or made you feel good, what does that tell you? Our thoughts, for the most part are a bunch of garbage and lies, but if we believe them then they cause real tangible problems.

 

What did u do.about that then?